I only get to 500 stacks once every 10 games as Cassiopeia

AquariusGine·Jun 5, 2015·34 votes·3,476 views

And when I do, I only enjoy it for one teamfight.

To put it simply; it's just not fun :)

Games always end at 498 stacks

52 Comments

khorneyJun 5, 20152 votes

Who cares Cass is extremely weak compared to how she was before her rework . her damage ereally isn't good to begin with she has the lowest ratios of any ap mage in the game. Including janna and raka

OrbvJun 5, 20154 votes

Actually she's almost about the same. She's still a lane bully because she can shoot more fangs out early game. She has better in lane sustain (despite her out of lane sustain being crap).

I was a big defender of pre-cass, and I still believe that they GUTTED her Miasma, and her Noxioust blast is only as good as it used to be after landing 2 twin fangs, which is ridiculous.

However, because her AP is able to go as high as it does, her ultimate is now a much larger Nuke than it used to be. They left that untouched. I'm actually okay with that, because people really should fear her gaze. Also the much larger AP amounts she can get now, average out (with the new miniscule ratios) to be about slightly less dmg until 500 AP, and then getting marginally better above 800.

khorneyJun 5, 20152 votes

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Actually she's almost about the same. She's still a lane bully because she can shoot more fangs out early game. She has better in lane sustain (despite her out of lane sustain being crap).

I was a big defender of pre-cass, and I still believe that they GUTTED her Miasma, and her Noxioust blast is only as good as it used to be after landing 2 twin fangs, which is ridiculous.

However, because her AP is able to go as high as it does, her ultimate is now a much larger Nuke than it used to be. They left that untouched. I'm actually okay with that, because people really should fear her gaze. Also the much larger AP amounts she can get now, average out (with the new miniscule ratios) to be about slightly less dmg until 500 AP, and then getting marginally better above 800.

ThAt much ap doesn't mean anything when 2 of your core moves do less base damage now and the ratio went from 90% to less then 20 and that's op how . I don't care about what your describing how her q and w were before is way way better . in fact the reason they nerfed her/ rework was because her early game was strong . she is not a lane bully like your describing. Well now you have to get ludens because her ratios are so low and Lord knows if her e procd lich bane she would be decent. So she goes from strong aoe to weak aoe but decent single target damage. All I have to say is viger will 1 shot you with his ult

OrbvJun 5, 20156 votes

They reworked her MAINLY because they wanted to reveal something during the Shurima event and were touching up her model anyway. The attack on her early game was a secondary thought. And if you've watched a single LCS game in the past 14 months where Cass was used you'd see that she is constantly chosen because she is STILL a lane bully as early as lvl 2, better than before if you can land 3 or more fangs. The rework fixed her reactivation delay by .25 - .5sec based on distance, so you can almost always get 3 off unless you're not smartcasting.

I have personally used her to get to Gold, and have hated her miasma losing literally 80% of its dmg. But they have buffed her Q to be weaker standalone but stronger after Twin Fang passive procs.

Her single target is capable of assassinating a Zed and wrecking a LeBlanc. You should watch PowerofEvil play her, wrecks.

khorneyJun 5, 20151 votes

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They reworked her MAINLY because they wanted to reveal something during the Shurima event and were touching up her model anyway. The attack on her early game was a secondary thought. And if you've watched a single LCS game in the past 14 months where Cass was used you'd see that she is constantly chosen because she is STILL a lane bully as early as lvl 2, better than before if you can land 3 or more fangs. The rework fixed her reactivation delay by .25 - .5sec based on distance, so you can almost always get 3 off unless you're not smartcasting.

I have personally used her to get to Gold, and have hated her miasma losing literally 80% of its dmg. But they have buffed her Q to be weaker standalone but stronger after Twin Fang passive procs.

Her single target is capable of assassinating a Zed and wrecking a LeBlanc. You should watch PowerofEvil play her, wrecks.

Umm her q was a stronger version of a teemo shroom and that's weak how ? She is weaker now then before .

OrbvJun 5, 20151 votes

Her Noxious Blast has the exact same base damage as before. But her ratio dropped from .8 to to .45. Like I said, landing 2 twin fangs increases her Q damage by 40%, effectively raising her AP ratio to 63% but clearly having 40% more base damage too. So like I said, after landing 2 Twin Fangs, her Q is more powerful until you get a certain amount of AP. Which, as the OP has pointed out, is not always easy because you don't always reach that final milestone.

Old: 235 + 80% AP

New: (235 + 45% AP) + 40% ==> 329 + 62%

235 + .8x 329 + .62x

235 + .8x = 329 + .62x .8x = 94 + .62x .18x = 94 X = 522

You need 522 AP to break even with the buffed Q. If you're aiming for simply poking, then old is better. But if you're doing sustained damage, Cass is stronger now until 522 AP.

khorneyJun 5, 20152 votes

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=/

Her Noxious Blast has the exact same base damage as before. But her ratio dropped from .8 to to .45. Like I said, landing 2 twin fangs increases her Q damage by 40%, effectively raising her AP ratio to 63% but clearly having 40% more base damage too. So like I said, after landing 2 Twin Fangs, her Q is more powerful until you get a certain amount of AP. Which, as the OP has pointed out, is not always easy because you don't always reach that final milestone.

Old: 235 + 80% AP

New: (235 + 45% AP) + 40% ==> 329 + 62%

235 + .8x 329 + .62x

235 + .8x = 329 + .62x .8x = 94 + .62x .18x = 94 X = 522

You need 522 AP to break even with the buffed Q. If you're aiming for simply poking, then old is better. But if you're doing sustained damage, Cass is stronger now until 522 AP.

Still that's in efficient Doing all that to barely come close to and in teamfifhts old Cass way way better because 1 q would melt people now you have to do all that to barely come close

OrbvJun 5, 20152 votes

Despite my large posts and talking about her numbers, I agree with you. I don't like her nerfed stats, I don't like anything about her that was changed except the cd refresh on cast. And because she's seen competitive play with huge success, they'll never fix it.

khorneyJun 5, 20151 votes

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Despite my large posts and talking about her numbers, I agree with you. I don't like her nerfed stats, I don't like anything about her that was changed except the cd refresh on cast. And because she's seen competitive play with huge success, they'll never fix it.

Because so they said to make her versatile what ever on that now to do the damage she had done before your burn more mana and it's inefficient. Before your q was a teemo shroom damage. I liked relying on her q and w now her w and q are about useless . u have to q or w then e then q that's effiecnt how

OrbvJun 5, 20151 votes

It's not at all. They did that to quiet the people who complained that they gutted the Snake's poison dmg. But it solved nothing, and Stashu has said that he's stopped working on it.....

I posted so many threads for months complaining about it. It's really upsetting.

Robins TightsJun 5, 20151 votes

She's destroys Veigar early. He'll never be able to farm. Otherwise he can 1 shot any mage building AP. That's what your team is for. Also Hourglass can completely put his ult on cooldown. 1 item solution, he loses most of his dmg.

3TWarriorJun 5, 20151 votes

except to be in range of his ult, it's the point where you can't even see it coming and it's as small as his auto attack

khorneyJun 5, 20151 votes

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except to be in range of his ult, it's the point where you can't even see it coming and it's as small as his auto attack

Lol ty for agreeing with me

OrbvJun 5, 20151 votes

That's true. His ult should be far more flashy for how powerful it is. It's hidden power being so basic lol

StridentJun 5, 20153 votes

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Who cares Cass is extremely weak compared to how she was before her rework . her damage ereally isn't good to begin with she has the lowest ratios of any ap mage in the game. Including janna and raka

Somebody doesn't watch the pro scene

The Queen ViperJun 8, 20151 votes

Well she lost AoE dmg but got more single target dmg.

For poking she may not be that good anymore, but otherwise her dmg is just fine.

khorneyJun 5, 20152 votes

You made most, If not all of her damage dependent on her E, which is already a risky skill to use because of Its short range. Even when she reaches lategame a Zed won't care about her damage he can go in, ult, and get out with his ultimate's shadow range and leave Cass doing nothing.

Her Q and W are a complete joke. Honestly, this is the absolute worst change to Cassiopeia. Even against some of the best picks mid right now, her Q poke and W zoning allowed her to atleast survive against champions like Yasuo and Fizz. But not that's completely ruined, she can't poke in range with Q and she can't zone and keep champions off her with her W.
The Q and W nerfs also completely demolish her teamfight potential, seriously in tight corridor teamfights If you drop a W on the enemy team and they all stand In It and you toss a couple Q's that destroys their health bars. Since all her damage is relent on one single-targeted nuke that requires her to get into a life or death situation WITHOUT ANY MEANS OF VIABLE ESCAPE, why pick Cassiopeia for lategame over champions like Ziggs, Syndra, and Orianna?
You nerf'd her ultimate, her only means of escape and the only way she can fight any melee in this game, her ultimate is right now without a doubt the hardest ultimate to effectively use in the game and you nerf the **** out of it's damage and compensate with a 10 second reduced cooldown? This reduced cooldown is pointless because 1: With the Q and W nerfs which butcher her teamfight she's near useless in teamfights and 2: I guess you expect her to get kills with It In lane but you also want her to be a lategame "hypercarry".
Her main problems, which are the fact she's the only mage in this game without a reliable escape minus flash, are still not fixed. I mean, I guess she doesn't need one since she's a hyper-carry with a 2 second situational stun, but the fact still remains that Orianna has one of the best teamfighting ultimate in the game (Same with Ziggs) that is easy as hell to use while still retaining it's amazing damage and while she retains her great utility and escapes.

WatermeatJun 6, 20152 votes

Gee, it's almost like champions can be strong in some areas and weak in others, and that makes them balanced! Whoda thunk it?

She has SOME burst, RIDICULOUS amounts of sustained damage, cc, sustain, and more mobility than a lot of mages with her permanent movement speed. BUT, her AOE damage is low compared to other champs, she's reliant on her Q>E combo (so if she misses her poison and accidentally E's, she's useless) and she's relatively close ranged.

GEE, SHE HAS WEAKNESSES /AND/ STRENGTHS. HOW DARE THEY?

QuortJun 6, 20151 votes

Once I fought a Kalista as Cassiopeia. Landing poison was near impossible and the only way to win was with her ultimate! XD

khorneyJun 6, 20151 votes

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Gee, it's almost like champions can be strong in some areas and weak in others, and that makes them balanced! Whoda thunk it?

She has SOME burst, RIDICULOUS amounts of sustained damage, cc, sustain, and more mobility than a lot of mages with her permanent movement speed. BUT, her AOE damage is low compared to other champs, she's reliant on her Q>E combo (so if she misses her poison and accidentally E's, she's useless) and she's relatively close ranged.

GEE, SHE HAS WEAKNESSES /AND/ STRENGTHS. HOW DARE THEY?

gee before her rework her q and w were very very strong. now you need to hit a poison just to equal the damage of her pre rework. ill take the aoe damage the way she was before , rather thenhow she is now. they made her extremely weak compared to how she was before and she has the lowest ap ratios out of any mage do tell me how thats op, now there isnt anything good about her you burn to much mana on your spells becuase you need to hit q or w to be able to do any damge just so you can e and use more mana and lord help you if you cANT hit q

Skia AsteriJun 6, 20152 votes

That is your problem then. Stop AFKing in base for 50 minutes and actively seek to speed up the stacking.

Byakuya KuchikiJun 5, 20151 votes

thats weird i carry solo handely every game i play as cass. ever think maybe youre just shit at her?

Robins TightsJun 5, 201523 votes

He didn't say that he lost with her, he's just saying that he rarely meets 500 stacks. The majority of her games finish before the 40min mark and under 500 stacks unless enemies unintentionally low themselves to walk through miasma or be poked down by noxious blast.

It's not necessarily a skill point.

IcyPepperJun 5, 20154 votes

It's like he didn't even read the thread.

At all.

I Main SwainJun 6, 20152 votes

remember this is the internet, where there's a widespread epidemic of stupidity

CubedJusticeJun 6, 20152 votes

I wish I had a source, but there was a study done where a fake news story was posted, with no content and a title meant to start fights, and dozens of people argued about it. Without reading it. Because there was nothing to read.

Aria ValkyrieJun 6, 20155 votes

I think you're thinking of this story by NPR. It was published on April Fool's Day, with the title "Why Doesn't America Read Anymore?". The content basically just said happy april fool's day, don't comment on this, just like it.

no one read it. everyone was like "It's those cell phones" or some stuff like that.

It was hilarious, and probably one of the best unintentional social experiments on the human condition as a whole.

CubedJusticeJun 6, 20152 votes

Yes! Exactly! Thank you.

khorneyJun 5, 20151 votes

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thats weird i carry solo handely every game i play as cass. ever think maybe youre just shit at her?

Umm now you have to build the same items on her every game . before you could build what you wanted to

Byakuya KuchikiJun 5, 20151 votes

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Umm now you have to build the same items on her every game . before you could build what you wanted to

what did you used to build on her and what do you now build on her

khorneyJun 5, 20151 votes

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what did you used to build on her and what do you now build on her

Moronomicon rylais liandrys , sorc shoes , athenes . pretty much what you would build for malz and teemo shroom damage , you can't do that now for its in efficient to do so , now you have to build roa and archangel staff and ludens

Byakuya KuchikiJun 5, 20152 votes

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Moronomicon rylais liandrys , sorc shoes , athenes . pretty much what you would build for malz and teemo shroom damage , you can't do that now for its in efficient to do so , now you have to build roa and archangel staff and ludens

why do you get rod and tear?

khorneyJun 5, 20151 votes

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why do you get rod and tear?

Because you have to have it for mana and they work together to add ap since that's what she is made to do because since her playstyle now is q ee or w e e you'll burn to much mana if you don't have those 2 items

The Queen ViperJun 8, 20151 votes

You should never build ROA if you go for Tear / Seraph's ... it's one or the other. You don't even need both to be honest.

And you shouldn't buy Luden's either, it pretty much sucks on her.

Liandry + Rylais combo is still good on her though.

BiffoloJun 6, 20151 votes

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Umm now you have to build the same items on her every game . before you could build what you wanted to

I don't get how that can be seen as a pro or a con.

Neo CyrusJun 5, 201511 votes

According to your record you're 0-2 as Cass with a 1.3 KDA... in Silver. Ever think maybe you're just shit at lying as well as the game?

Byakuya KuchikiJun 5, 20151 votes

shes boring. I dont like her playstyle i usually just play her in normals when im bored I only play her in ranked when i kat and fizz are banned and im stuck with mid

BetaDude40Jun 5, 201512 votes

she's boring. I dont like her playstyle

M'kay

i carry solo handely every game i play as cass

Uh huh.

Keep talking, I wanna see what else you can pull out of your ass.

AbsoluteSadmanJun 6, 20154 votes

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BetaDude40Jun 8, 20151 votes

So that's what Oprah meant...

You know what, I think I'll pass on the free car...

A Miss FortuneJun 5, 20151 votes

Cassiopeia should have the stacks more easy to get, Cassiopeia currently is one of my best mid laners and I think I do pretty well with her, but with the recent nerfs to her early game I think she would need some help to reach her late game potential. Even if you bully very well and get stacks earlier than you'd expect, getting from 0 - 500 can be a bit difficult. I think there is an illusion that stacks are very easy to get due to the fact that in lane, Cassiopeia can just spam her stuff and hit 100 stacks probably under 10 minutes if you do really well with her.

I don't approve of the recent nerfs to Cass's mana and honestly she needs another rework. She's not a "Poison Mage" literally her only two poisons are her Q and W and her W doesn't do damage, sure you can get it up to like 200 damage over 3 seconds (Not including your MR) but it literally can do 5 - 10 damage early game. Right now she's a Machine Gun disguised as a snake. Her ammo is her mana, so until she gets some ammo she's a worthless piece of crap. To be honest I love playing Cassiopeia, but I also think that there would be more fun to invest if she was like a Teemo who spams poison with most of his attacks.

khorneyJun 5, 20153 votes

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Cassiopeia should have the stacks more easy to get, Cassiopeia currently is one of my best mid laners and I think I do pretty well with her, but with the recent nerfs to her early game I think she would need some help to reach her late game potential. Even if you bully very well and get stacks earlier than you'd expect, getting from 0 - 500 can be a bit difficult. I think there is an illusion that stacks are very easy to get due to the fact that in lane, Cassiopeia can just spam her stuff and hit 100 stacks probably under 10 minutes if you do really well with her.

I don't approve of the recent nerfs to Cass's mana and honestly she needs another rework. She's not a "Poison Mage" literally her only two poisons are her Q and W and her W doesn't do damage, sure you can get it up to like 200 damage over 3 seconds (Not including your MR) but it literally can do 5 - 10 damage early game. Right now she's a Machine Gun disguised as a snake. Her ammo is her mana, so until she gets some ammo she's a worthless piece of crap. To be honest I love playing Cassiopeia, but I also think that there would be more fun to invest if she was like a Teemo who spams poison with most of his attacks.

She used to be like that until they reworked her to how she is now

A Miss FortuneJun 5, 20152 votes

Yeah, people have told me that. I think it's possible to re-rework Cassiopeia into a Poison Mage that's balanced. But right now her entire kit is so stupid and not even close to a Poison Mage, heck even Teemo is a better Mage than Cass right now. You can play Cass just by taping down your E key because that's all you need the entire game.

khorneyJun 5, 20151 votes

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Yeah, people have told me that. I think it's possible to re-rework Cassiopeia into a Poison Mage that's balanced. But right now her entire kit is so stupid and not even close to a Poison Mage, heck even Teemo is a better Mage than Cass right now. You can play Cass just by taping down your E key because that's all you need the entire game.

To me I think she is weak she has the lowest ap ratios out of any mage . hell ap mf has better ap ratios

lDontLiftIcarryJun 6, 20151 votes

her ratios are garbage, idk what you mean by late game. Champions with shit ratios have no late game. Since ratios(scaling stats) are what make late game champions viable.

The Queen ViperJun 8, 20152 votes

Not all her ratios are "trash" ... her E and R ratios are just fine.

When it comes to the late game, her single target dmg is quite high.

lDontLiftIcarryJun 11, 20151 votes

you mean the E ratio they reverted the nerf on. And the R the didn't touch at all in the rework? Those spells? wow ofc they're "just fine" because riot didn't fucking gut them idiot...Nice downvote btw cutie.