Are there plans to introduce another AP item with MR, given the Abyssal changes? (Diana player here)

Bern··1 votes·513 views

As someone who likes to play Diana, I'm feeling hung out to dry with these changes, since being unable to go Abyssal first is a massive blow to a lot of AP matchups. She really benefited from the flat MR reduction (since she has good bases), the MR (since she has a shield), and obviously from the AP. The only other major AP item with MR, Athene's, simply isn't an attractive buy and doesn't provide the same all-in focused stats. It's basically looking like I'd have to go echo first in every AP matchup, which is a massive hit to laning against AP champs that can harass Diana easily... which is basically every ranged AP. I don't really feel like I can itemize in any similar way to compensate; the best I can expect to do is maybe rush echo and hope to kill them faster (which isn't desirable because it costs so much more and gives no defensive stats).

Also, unrelated, but... is Riot expecting a triple AP meta or something with these Abyssal changes? Double AP was huge on TT for a while, so it's hardly impossible for AP-focused comps to become meta, and this version of Abyssal keeps triple+ AP comps from falling off -far- too well, especially if you have something like Ryze's AoE MR shred and Cass/Ziggs DPS. I'd be pretty afraid of it.

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LoLKiru1 votes

Yes, its been stated that a new AP / MR item will be made to fill the void left by the abyssal changes, likely within this next PBE cycle.

We'll probably see it next patch with Ekko if we're lucky.

Bern1 votes

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Yes, its been stated that a new AP / MR item will be made to fill the void left by the abyssal changes, likely within this next PBE cycle.

We'll probably see it next patch with Ekko if we're lucky.

I've seen mention of that, but I'm not really sure what to expect. I don't want to poke at Riot, but it took -forever- to get Echo in the game after DFG was removed. I'm afraid of a similarly long iteration time on the new MR item.

Bern1 votes

Unrelated, but I wonder if making the current Abyssal melee-only wouldn't fix a lot of its problems. It'd shove it off the vast majority of the champions we see currently buying it, while keeping it as an option for Diana, Kat, etc.

Only Play Darius1 votes

My favorite mid Katarina is going to get screwed over the most by these changes.

Bern1 votes

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My favorite mid Katarina is going to get screwed over the most by these changes.

I also feel you pretty hard on this. Kat can rsuh Echo as well, but she still suffers a lot of the same harass issues as Diana (which force her to non-interactively farm with q and shunpo out at the slightest sign of danger from 1-5, and still play that way most of the rest of lane because she's not oneshotting anyone even once she hits 6).

Only Play Darius1 votes

IKR, item 3001 Scepter is often core on Kat because of it's synergy with death lotus, and if she is in a tough matchup with a ranged mage I usually rush it because it allows me to mitigate some damage without sacrificing my own damage. At least Diana can act as an AP Bruiser/Battle mage, so the pulses could still be useful to her in longer skirmishes, but the pulses do absolutely nothing for Katarina.

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