A Query on Champion Reworks/VGUs

ModCaptainMårvelous··2 votes·742 views

Hey all,

I've noticed that a lot of the time, there's always someone/people who miss the old versions of champs regardless of how well they turn out in the rework or update department. A common complaint is "Just make a new champion and leave <x> as is", which kind of can't happen due to theme overlap, mechanics, etc.

So instead, I want to ask anyone who might miss an old champ: Where would you draw the line at a pre-rework champ being in the game. For this, I'm going to list a handful of options that could realistically be considered, if Riot were to take this approach. As an aside, this assumes Riot stops "development" on this champion and they are left in the game and unchanged from their last, pre-VGU patch:

  • 1.) Champion exists in the game but cannot be picked in ranked. Does not get balance updates. (Pickable in norms, arams, private games)
  • 2.) Champion exists in the game but cannot be picked in ranked or ARAMs. (No balance, Norms/Private is ok)
  • 3.) Champion exists in the game but can only be picked in private games.
  • 4.) "I refuse to have this champion share a spot with their rework." (IE: Sion pre-VGU or Sion VGU, not both).
  • 5.) None of the above. (Try to avoid the "No reworks" option. Give me an example of a compromise or middle ground you'd be ok with.)

If you'd like, comment why. For the final option you could suggest stuff like "Pre-VGU Champion has major lore changes/entire theme changes" or something similar. Curious to see the communities thoughts on this.

6 Comments

Salvor Hardın3 votes

Just want to coment i miss the old Galio soo much. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

FullmuteAll play1 votes

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Just want to coment i miss the old Galio soo much. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Joining this comment section to say how I miss old Urgot.

Linna Excel1 votes

I think that VGUs should happen as someone who gets pissed off by half of them, but I think riot should keep as close as possible to the original. Too often it seems like riot throws just about everything out and replaces an existing champ with one with only vague similarities. I think that VGUs should be focused on improving issues where possible but that has to take a backseat to keeping the heart, soul, and look of a champ. Basically do the least amount possible to minimize the biggest problems of the champ.

After that, riot should create a new champ inspired by the old one in terms of new ideas and directions. This new champ would be like the VGUs we are getting now, but with a new name, lore, and identity.

FullmuteAll play1 votes

So basically 1st option, but sometimes due to runes/items/meta changes this champion can become broken (nerfed is not as much issue). In this case Riot can spend couple of minutes to nerf some basic thing in champion and see how it goes. I am not sure how changes affect the expenses, so in case change is relatively expensive or unit cost rises with each change, Riot might nerf harder to avoid additional costs.

ModCaptainMårvelous2 votes

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So basically 1st option, but sometimes due to runes/items/meta changes this champion can become broken (nerfed is not as much issue). In this case Riot can spend couple of minutes to nerf some basic thing in champion and see how it goes. I am not sure how changes affect the expenses, so in case change is relatively expensive or unit cost rises with each change, Riot might nerf harder to avoid additional costs.

Yeah, something like that.

The TL;DR would be that unless this champ is absolutely fucking absurd, they don't get balance changes/changes with the intent to "balance" them as it's a for fun champ rather than a legitimate, ranked champ pick.

Vereor Nox1 votes

I hate when the champions personality and lore get completely changed. Updating gameplay is fine but look at Warwick's lore. He used to be Singed's mentor who was cursed by Soraka and now he is a criminal turned into a chimera by Singed. Also, Varus was a human with a wife and kid and now he is a darkin bow whose body is made of two dudes...

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