Zyra needs something

Teslyn·Oct 20, 2015·5 votes·460 views

personally she is really mana hungry that slows me down alot when i play her and i have to literally pick and choose.. and if i ever fast push 2 waves just to break a freeze i am normally OOM and have to either back or pace handy-capped waiting to recover from a strategic move.

i read someones idea of letting her passive.. when used and kill a target with it to resurrect her. he passive is really really weak.

and this should be even harder now because recently with the ramp up of her passive if you try and spam it ... it will shoot in some random off direction that i have had it happen multiple times now. so in the off chance of actually killing someone when dead.. can i get a rez?

12 Comments

Romans VI XXIIIOct 20, 20152 votes

Like you said, she has very high mana consumption. And really this is what is keeping her from mid lane. Id like to see her current passive be replaced with something to do with mana regen. Possible something correlated to her plants.

Maybe along the lines of: Every time a plant AAs she gains a % of the damage back as mana or a flat amount, doubled against Champions.

Doing this wont break her bot lane as a support, but would help her significantly mid lane.

TeslynOct 20, 20151 votes

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Like you said, she has very high mana consumption. And really this is what is keeping her from mid lane. Id like to see her current passive be replaced with something to do with mana regen. Possible something correlated to her plants.

Maybe along the lines of: Every time a plant AAs she gains a % of the damage back as mana or a flat amount, doubled against Champions.

Doing this wont break her bot lane as a support, but would help her significantly mid lane.

i like this one ... never thought of it.. RIOT .. PBE TEST please

SpartenA7991Oct 20, 20151 votes

Coming from a zyra main, I'd use it to just last hit some minons so i go back with alittle gold. It's activation time is too long so it's very difficult to actually hit a player.

Romans VI XXIIIOct 20, 20151 votes

u can maybe get 1 minion, as the damage it deals is never enough to completely kill a 100% hp minion, and the odds of low HP minions lining up perfectly are pretty low. 1 maybe 2 if u r lucky. And if you are using it to gain gold, then you could compare it to TFs passive, so again VERY lack luster.

SpartenA7991Oct 20, 20151 votes

You have a fairly long time to wait for your shot, so Thats what i usually do. Just wait for some cs go get low and go back to base with some extra gold

ChortleOct 20, 20151 votes

I play Zyra mid regularly and I don't really notice her mana issues. I tend to run mana regen seals for my mid-lane runes anyway though so that could be the reason. Double dorans usually helps her mana early. By late game it's not as noticeable, and you are almost always given blue buff.

If you're still noticing mana issues, item 3165 is the best item to fix that . item 3174 is not worth imo

Morello's grievous wounds works great with her plants AA and the 20 AP over Athene's is better for Zyra in most cases.

Her passive is lackluster that's for sure. It has its uses, but overall it feels a little underwhelming.

VekknaOct 20, 20151 votes

Tbh I have no idea how Morello's could possibly be enough mana sustain. It's fine in lane, as is double Doran's. The problems start in early mid game and continue throughout. You're not getting CS in siege and team fights, and you have to cast lots of spells to try and poke/pick. Nowhere near enough mana to keep that up for longer than, like, 2 spell rotations.

ChortleOct 20, 20152 votes

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Tbh I have no idea how Morello's could possibly be enough mana sustain. It's fine in lane, as is double Doran's. The problems start in early mid game and continue throughout. You're not getting CS in siege and team fights, and you have to cast lots of spells to try and poke/pick. Nowhere near enough mana to keep that up for longer than, like, 2 spell rotations.

Morello's is enough though. Add a blue buff every so often on top of that.

It's like every mana hungry champion. You have to be wary about spamming your spells.

VekknaOct 20, 20151 votes

I can use only my fingers and toes to count the number of times I've been offered blue buff in ranked.

ChortleOct 20, 20151 votes

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I can use only my fingers and toes to count the number of times I've been offered blue buff in ranked.

:[ it sounds like your team doesn't want you to win haha

Zyra with blue buff is a monster.

I am talking about mid-lane Zyra though just to clarify. Support Zyra will almost never be offered blue buff unless the mid-laner doesn't really benefit from it.

VekknaOct 20, 20151 votes

It doesn't really matter who is in mid lane. I almost never see the jungler offer blue. The two or three times I got it on Zyra, the difference was measured by a kill.

ChortleOct 20, 20151 votes

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It doesn't really matter who is in mid lane. I almost never see the jungler offer blue. The two or three times I got it on Zyra, the difference was measured by a kill.

Yeah I don't really expect blue during laning phase. Some junglers can make pretty good use of it. I'm more talking blue buff for mid-late game. Hardly any jungler will need blue buff after early game