ok since kog'maw warped on-hit items, revert guinsoos so i can have fun again

NodirjonSattarov·Apr 10, 2017·4 votes·718 views

that item was so much fun at the beginning of s6. i agree kog'maw fucked that item really hard but now he's back to old (kinda) kog'maw

17 Comments

137434Apr 10, 20171 votes

Are you talking about when it use to have an AoE? No thank you. Kog'maw wasn't the only abuse case with that item.

NodirjonSattarovApr 10, 20171 votes

how many of the former guinsoos users still use rageblade? all i can think of is kayle and teemo.

Tahminatrix Apr 10, 20171 votes

TahmKench XinZhao MasterYi maybe a few more, onhit abusers are less common then crit abusers.

NodirjonSattarovApr 10, 20171 votes

i've yet to see those use Rageblade

Tahminatrix Apr 10, 20171 votes

Cause most TahmKench go support and usually when they do want to build it the game is over before they can and hit their powerspike

I`ve seen yi and xin build it multiple times...

420 gramsApr 10, 20171 votes

Xin can get away with it, but the item isn't good on kench or yi.

Tahminatrix Apr 10, 20171 votes

it is very good on kench, it helps him get stacks faster and he gets MUCH more group fight appearance...why downvote me? Getting 3 stacks from 2 autos which go 64% faster is alot...

I`ve literally been dueling top laners as a TahmKench with item 2303 item 3047 item 3190 item 3109 item 3124 item 3091 or even replacing wits end with item 3022

Even dueled a fed late game master yi

PermabannedGarenApr 10, 20171 votes

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Xin can get away with it, but the item isn't good on kench or yi.

It's almost core on Yi.

137434Apr 10, 20172 votes

Well that is because Riot changed the item...

Riot wanted to keep the double hit passive that was on sated devourer, but that together with the AoE rageblade was just too powerful (especially when also coupled with hurricane or hydra). Bruisers like Jax could clear a wave in seconds, then clear you and everyone around you in a teamfight.

Hence rageblade lost the AoE and got the phantom passive instead.

NodirjonSattarovApr 10, 20171 votes

the change seemed like a rather quick change for a very niche item that was bought on champions that mostly did mixed dmg (jax, kog'maw, kayle). instead of slowly changing the item, like they did for youmoos that was used by any AD champion, it was an abrupt change that dumped most who built it in the gutter for a while.

jax isn't a bruiser, he's a fighter. jax doesn't have any wave clear w/o since he doesn't build any hydras and has only 1 aoe ability. he opts to building hextech bunblade and triforce which still don't give him any aoe clears. so how can you say that it was a bad thing giving jax some wave clear.

all i'm saying is that instead of approaching the item slowly and methodically, they just scrapped the update

137434Apr 10, 20171 votes

Jax doesn't have any waveclear now. Old rageblade (which you want to go back to) took care of that particular problem.

Jax is meant to be a good split pusher able to duel and take towers down easily. The price he is suppose to pay for that is poor waveclear. If you are giving him good waveclear while also augmenting his dueling potential and tower damage potential he crowds out top lane and becomes a monster. There is reason why all but one of his abilities is single target damage.

Old rageblade gave Jax everything he wanted: waveclear, AP, AD, attackspeed while synergizing extremely well with his passive (and R passive).

NodirjonSattarovApr 10, 20171 votes

Jax can't have Rageblade but literally half the roster of fighters get hydra that synergies with their kits immensely. OK