explain this new season and how it helps other lanes win the game. explain to me how if bot lane loses they get all the drag control possible and from then they get the advantage. explain to me how thats fair to top laners that have retarded ass bot lanes. seriously enough with the adc meta and nerf dragon buff so my bot being retarded doesnt automatically mean they win the game.
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FyshinaTux1 votesThat's the point, if you're forced to take TP so you can babysit the ADC more than the Support and Jungler already do... well, that doesn't sound like strategic DIVERSITY now, does it?
redniwediS2 votesTeleport is just a choice. You never have to take it as a top laner. It's not your job to win the other lanes after all.
FyshinaTux1 votesExactly right, but Machh is suggesting that if bot lane winning == GG, then you should take TP to ensure that happens...
That's kinda BS and lacking in Strategic Diversity.
redniwediS1 votesThat's assuming that a top laner with TP is the only factor that can make bot lane win if they are losing. You could have a skilled jungler or a mid laner who is good at roaming just as easily.
FyshinaTux1 votesAgain, it still comes back to a lack of strategic diversity.
If the choices you have are "help bot as much as possible to win their lane", or "don't help bot and risk losing the game", there is no diversity there, there is only ONE clear cut choice. That's the EXACT opposite of strategic DIVERSITY.
redniwediS1 votesThat is why I made my first post in this thread. The OP did not actually provide enough information to make the conclusion that he made. Unless you have additional information that can make up for what he lacks I see no reason to think that bot lane is the end all, be all of the current game's state.
Bot lane is quite strong at the moment, no one will argue that, but whether or not it's so strong that the other lanes only have to assist it in order to win has yet to be proven.
Hayaishi1 votes{quoted} Teleport is just a choice. You never have to take it as a top laner. It's not your job to win the other lanes after all.
then don't complain about losing dragons if you're not willing to cooperate while their top laner is.
redniwediS1 votesWhere did that come from? No one was complaining about dragon control, and it's not like you need TP as a top laner in order to assist with dragon.
Hayaishi1 votes{quoted} Where did that come from? No one was complaining about dragon control, and it's not like you need TP as a top laner in order to assist with dragon.
OP is complaining that he loses the game because his bot lane sucks and can't secure dragons.
If you're taking ignite while the other top laner is taking TP don't QQ about botlane losing dragons/lane.
redniwediS1 votesI guess I'm just surprised you brought that up in response to one of my posts instead of the OPs. Oh well.
BlackRaven1 votes{quoted} then don't complain about losing dragons if you're not willing to cooperate while their top laner is.
ignite helps u win ur own lane. u want me to risk losin lane so bot lane can be safe? good job coming up with an alternative.
Hayaishi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GfldQFFA,comment-id=00010000000000010001,timestamp=2014-12-11T01:42:40.449+0000) ignite helps u win ur own lane. u want me to risk losin lane so bot lane can be safe? good job coming up with an alternative.
well that's how the game is at the moment.
If their top laner is helping his own bot lane with TP while you just stay top the whole game a la Season 2 then you're losing the game, that's how it is.
BlackRaven1 votes{quoted} well that's how the game is at the moment.
If their top laner is helping his own bot lane with TP while you just stay top the whole game a la Season 2 then you're losing the game, that's how it is.
that comes back to the point that the game is centered around bot lane..u disagreed with it then somehow ended up bringing it up again.
redniwediS1 votesIf their top laner is helping their bot lane you push down a tower or two and then start roaming. Do you actually understand how top lane works right now? I can only think of three champions who would actually want to stay top all game, and that's because they are fantastic split pushers.
Hayaishi1 votes{quoted} If their top laner is helping their bot lane you push down a tower or two and then start roaming. Do you actually understand how top lane works right now? I can only think of three champions who would actually want to stay top all game, and that's because they are fantastic split pushers.
i certainly do seeing as how i'm not the one complaining about my team losing when i don't take TP to make an impact.
redniwediS1 votesNeither am I. I'm not the OP. If you're going to make posts that are about the points the OP made please direct them at the OP and not me!
BlackRaven1 votes{quoted} i certainly do seeing as how i'm not the one complaining about my team losing when i don't take TP to make an impact.
again ill go back to the point that ignite helps a million to win lane. if their top has ignite he has a better chance of killing me. i shouldnt have to take a specific spell to ensure my game is won. thats not fair. bot shouldnt have that much control over the game.
Hayaishi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GfldQFFA,comment-id=000100000000000100010000000100000001,timestamp=2014-12-11T03:58:49.296+0000) again ill go back to the point that ignite helps a million to win lane. if their top has ignite he has a better chance of killing me. i shouldnt have to take a specific spell to ensure my game is won. thats not fair. bot shouldnt have that much control over the game.
ok that we can agree on, but atm you kinda have to adapt.
FyshinaTux2 votesFrom my experience, the Jungle is near impossible for people in low Solo Queue (Gold and under) to navigate efficiently enough to actually have an impact on the game.
That is, if they're not playing Warwick. Just my experience.
As for "Strategic Diversity", I like how the jungle effectively reduced the number of "strategic" choices you could make in champ select when you're going to jungle. At least I COULD jungle well with Sejuani in Season IV. -_-
redniwediS1 votesHow have the other lanes done in those same games? What did the team comps look like? Have there been losses where your bot lane actually won lane? You have to look at a lot more details to make sure what you're noticing isn't just correlation.
Bresn1 votes
Gank.... how hard is it dude?
You can feed or be fed and your W/E/Ult always make something happen.
Leap spam buttons and call it a day.
TP from a bush and flash ult.
Everybody backs away or stupidly charges you.