So... When are we going to nerf LeBlanc?

the weeaboo··37 votes·2,553 views

I'm so sick of seeing this champ two-shot me 5 minutes into the game. Her chain radius is literally ridiculous. Even if I had 3 flashes I cant escape that shit. I dont see how thats fair when she has a dash that she doesnt have to commit to. Her damage is off the charts, and forget catching her if shes ahead. If shes 3/0 is basically gg because you cant catch her and you cant survive her burst.

Please hotfix this broken champ.

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Pale Pirate23 votes

Well, no. You see, the new Leblanc left Leblanc mains in a rather disappointed mood. She doesn't need a nerf, she needs a fix. Let me explain.

What was the goal of the Leblanc rework? Extend her damage output. What she gets for this nerf, is a unique clone mechanic, to try and trick the opponent into attacking it while you kill them. That's what you can call an outplay, right? If they attacked the right clone, they would have a chance to kill/push back the Leblanc. Except, that didn't work.

Her clone mechanic probably received near zero playtesting. Right now, it just doesn't work. While it may confuse the opponent who isn't paying full attention to Leblanc, the clone is completely nonexistent for the Leblanc Player. Its low clarity (no health bar?), and unpredictable and sometimes stupid movements means the Leblanc players can't play around their own clone. This means they can't use it as a reliable defensive resource.

So since that failed, what did they give her instead? A) Waveclear, which no Leblanc main ever asked for and B) Ridiculously high damage and some points of the game. At level 6 you can literally RW->W->E->Q the enemy midlaner and he will be dead in 2 seconds unless he can kill you first. They should just support her clone mechanic, making it less stupid and add a health bar so that Leblanc can notice its presence. Nerf/tweak where needed. If that fails, remove the mechanic and replace it with the ultimate/R clone.

tl; dr Riot wanted to give Leblanc less instant damage, and replace it with a clone mechanic. The clone wasn't supported well enough and it failed, so they gave her waveclear and ridiculous damage. Instead, they should look to make her clone mechanic into a reliable defensive resource, and tweak the rest. If that fails, look for something to replace it (ultimate/R clone for example).

Michael Sykes2 votes

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Well, no. You see, the new Leblanc left Leblanc mains in a rather disappointed mood. She doesn't need a nerf, she needs a fix. Let me explain.

What was the goal of the Leblanc rework? Extend her damage output. What she gets for this nerf, is a unique clone mechanic, to try and trick the opponent into attacking it while you kill them. That's what you can call an outplay, right? If they attacked the right clone, they would have a chance to kill/push back the Leblanc. Except, that didn't work.

Her clone mechanic probably received near zero playtesting. Right now, it just doesn't work. While it may confuse the opponent who isn't paying full attention to Leblanc, the clone is completely nonexistent for the Leblanc Player. Its low clarity (no health bar?), and unpredictable and sometimes stupid movements means the Leblanc players can't play around their own clone. This means they can't use it as a reliable defensive resource.

So since that failed, what did they give her instead? A) Waveclear, which no Leblanc main ever asked for and B) Ridiculously high damage and some points of the game. At level 6 you can literally RW->W->E->Q the enemy midlaner and he will be dead in 2 seconds unless he can kill you first. They should just support her clone mechanic, making it less stupid and add a health bar so that Leblanc can notice its presence. Nerf/tweak where needed. If that fails, remove the mechanic and replace it with the ultimate/R clone.

tl; dr Riot wanted to give Leblanc less instant damage, and replace it with a clone mechanic. The clone wasn't supported well enough and it failed, so they gave her waveclear and ridiculous damage. Instead, they should look to make her clone mechanic into a reliable defensive resource, and tweak the rest. If that fails, look for something to replace it (ultimate/R clone for example).

what really sucks is the fact that she is so broken early, but the lategame is worse than it has ever been. But I agree on any point

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

LB main since s3 here. I nearly fully agree. What bothers me the most is how clunky she feels to play due to her delay. Her clone is rather idk. And i don't like the fact they made her less skill reliant imo atleast it feels like that when playing against her since you know can just point blank use your E for tons of dmg instead of animation cancel with WEQ for example.

Pale Pirate1 votes

According to champion.gg she is indeed easier to play. Maybe that's why everyone is like "she is so strong" which confuses me a little. I've tried to adapt to the new Leblanc multiple times, but I keep feeling that I could stomp way harder with the old Leblanc.

Luckily there are a couple of champions to switch to. I have been having some fun with Evelynn jungle, build item 1402 item 3020 item 3152 item 3100 and if you play well you can murder things.

Troll for Trump2 votes

Basically Talon, except replace every instance of "clone" with "gimmick parkour"

GULAG 4 U1 votes

talon has stealth and doesn't have a 500 miles tether range with cc

Troll for Trump1 votes

Talon doesn't bully well in laning, and his dmg falls off harder.

dominusx3 votes

she is a mage. she aint getting nerfed unless played in lcs

NineTailedMystic13 votes

LB is still an Assassin.

Pale Pirate1 votes

Fortunately, yes, but she feels "magier" than she has ever been to me.

Covert Ops Gnar2 votes

i love when riot adds skillshots that are unavoidable, like lux and leblanc W.

W into your face, similar to how lee sin can W into your face press e in your face, like how lee can put q into your face press R in their face, like lee sin then press Q like lee sin gg ap lee sin

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Lux's W is her shield...

Crede7773 votes

Technically it's a skill shot and Lux cannot avoid it.

Pale Pirate1 votes

I'm pretty sure that you can zhonyas it though.

Incarceration2 votes

Guys, come on. She's actually one of the real assassins that's doing well apart from Katarina and Kha'zix.

the weeaboo1 votes

Too well. Thats the problem.

Incarceration1 votes

Then just lower the tether range if you are less than 75% health. Otherwise, you should be able to fight her.

the weeaboo1 votes

She will literally one shot you if you don't have 2k+ HP with 150 MR you cant fight that

Incarceration1 votes

You can fight that.

Ex: Vayne Just R, and start autoattacking her. She will W back and you q backwards if you want to survive. Caitlyn Just put the W down and either force her back or kill her. E out if she is forced back, you don't always need to land the headshot.

Most champions can easily retaliate and burst Leblanc faster than she can. Even Katarina can with the same delays in her kit.

DunkinNoobs2 votes

Riot is trying their standard approach first: nerf everything but the problem, see that this doesn't work, and then finally nerf the problem, leaving the champ on the trash heap.

doiminat0r36002 votes

Everyone is so up-and-arms about Ahri that everyone forgot that she is still a tyrant.

Mafia LeBlanc1 votes

pls no ;\

Are1 votes

Her bases are decent and her ratios are really, really good. They're better than Anivia's. She has waveclear, mobility, CC. The only weakness in her kit really is that she has a 1.5 second delay, but honestly, it doesn't seem to help at all except in mid-late game fights with a good team. Laning against her feels oppressive.

If anyone knows how to counterplay her, please let me know.

xevi8 votes
  1. Beat her up when she lands her e as most of the time she stays in range for you to do butt stuff with her
  2. Ask her politely to afk
  3. Needlessly push the lane and roam

Just read the first letter of each step

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

"Send nudes"?

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

Well I think its really stupid that she can hit you with a skill shot E that does SO much damage and locks you in. The fact that she can blink towards you with a non-ultimate on low cool down to help land it makes it even more unfair.

Also... what the hell. Lands an E and then walks towards or sideways with a GIANT CIRCLE attached to you (can I even Flash out of that?).

Most trollish design ever...

Karn Bishop1 votes

lol.

Nothing else needed just na.op.gg him then laugh with me.

ModJango Mage1 votes

Hey! Im a mid-mage main and im currently sitting in Gold V. Im almost lvl five with all of the mages so i win the lane almost all of the time. But theres one champ that i can never win aganst with not a single champion. Yes you guessed it its Leblanc. If the enemy picks her im tilted already in champ select...

Rogue Blitzwolf1 votes

Oh I love the tether though. Played Akali w and flash still doesn't get out of range. I'm then snared and she uses w q and r e just in case I don't die from the original combo and another snare. Fair gameplay riot.

invisiblecat11 votes

At least now she can't Q R W E you and you die instantly, now she has to E wait and then you die

it be lìke that1 votes

she was literally just nerfed in 7.1?

*edit nvm it was reverted for some reason...along with rengars.

Blåbæret1 votes

My problem with LB is that she's impossible to lane against. She's also ungankable. GL dealing with the constant cloning, dashes and illusions. They gave her waveclear so now she can leave to roam whenever she feels like it. You have no kill pressure on her whatsoever in lane.

SolTheScaleless1 votes

Dude, she has two dashes. Cait is gonna get wrecked. And those traps aren’t going to do anything. Literally don’t dash on top of it. And Vanye, I guess, but only if you outplay her. The problem is, no mid laner can handle LB.

S8 R.I.P. sol. Even Quantum Fizzics doesn’t play sol anymore.

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