Nightfall Passive Idea

Steel Blossom·Feb 9, 2016·2 votes·490 views

So, what if the Nightfall passive of Dusblade dealt true damage equal to 300% of target's bonus armor? This way, ADC mains can't really circlejerk about duskblade being too strong vs them and all that BS, and Riot won't really have to nerf any assassins, but this item will still help against megatanks. Numbers can be tweaked, but the core idea is to have the damage scale with target's bonus armor instead of missing health.

Edit: Forgot to say, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS INNOCENT AND BEAUTIFUL, MAKE IT MELEE ONLY!

13 Comments

KrugLyfeFeb 9, 20162 votes

With Vayne what would be the point of having tanks? They're already useless with vayne around don't hurt their survivability even more ;/

Steel BlossomFeb 9, 20162 votes

Eh personally I'm all for removing Vayne from this game. However, Riot has said that this item is supposed to help assassins pose a bit of threat to tanks, and I honestly can't help but feel like %missinghealth is a bad way to go.

BoulderoxFeb 9, 20161 votes

Amen, the point of an assassin is to murder carries and the tanks can't do anything, but now gg assassins can 1v1 a tanks better

Steel BlossomFeb 9, 20161 votes

That's what Riot is trying to do with this item. I'm just trying to make it so that this item doesn't help assassin delete ADCs/APs, man.

BoulderoxFeb 9, 20161 votes

ik but thats just it, assassins are prevalent now... they are adding this because they want assassin staple items. not because assassins are underpowered, not because they need it, but because item 3142 is the only tried and true assassin core item...

Steel BlossomFeb 9, 20161 votes

eh, Graves and Lucian often get Youmuu's, right....In all honesty, I don't understand Riot's logic. If they want assassin-specific item, all they've gotta do is make Youmuu's melee only. Bam, problem solved.

BoulderoxFeb 9, 20161 votes

and then adc's that build it get ghost nerfed, i just don't see why NOW this item is needed. back during the cinderhulk era i could say yea go for it, tanks are strong, give em some power back... BUT god damn if the game isn't just a squishy mid, adc, and carry jungler, with a tank top and support... leaving 3 roles wide open for assassins to farm from...

Zed can already 100-50 thanks to thunderlords alone... we need to give him more power? Talon i feel will explode from this item due to his stealth capabilities. Which is sad, as i always praised talon on being a fair assassin... Rengar was just nerfed and now they are letting him do everything again... yea there is a long CD on the thing and will be kinda hard to manage, but for any assassin its not like they will Auto until they know they can burst you down anyways... because i hate the argument ("any ad can build it") yes, that is true, but adc's can't lay down enough damage quickly enough (mind a few Graves Lucian , etc...) that can actually put out enough burst in 2 seconds to make use of 25% missing hp damage.

I don't see riots logic if tanks are shut down, they are crap, if adc is shut down they lack the damage they need and forced to farm minions if assassin can't get kills... roam... and we all know how easy a snowball is for an assassin I just find that assassins have the best ways of farming other lanes more effectively than any other role could (excluding jg of course)

Steel BlossomFeb 9, 20161 votes

If assassins can't get kills, roam? Bro, have you seen how badly a failed gank can go when you're squishy? A early-mid triple kill in this meta might as well mean game...Also, ADCs have enough options with the current AD items, no need for them to get a mini yi ult from an item that's more or less made for assassins.

BoulderoxFeb 9, 20161 votes

well yes early is a deciding factor in the carry/fast meta. but still, assassins can roam better than mages, tanks, adc's can, that is what makes them assassins, mobilty. The thing is they are creating this item because they don't have anything besides item 3142 as a true assassin core item... when anything with raw damage, armor pen and cdr is assassin worthy... why have multiple items that give stacking varients of everything they need... the new item coming out is top tier AD item, 75AD comparable to the strongest ad items avalible. for 3250 vs item 3072 = 3700 (75AD) item 3139 = 3750 (75AD) item 3074 = 3500 (75AD)

off the bat it adds over the top stats for the cost... flat armor pen and % MS....

I just see the item as a very big upcoming problem to the game... XinZhao next patch being another but that is another discussion. But i just don't see how assassins are strong right now and they need more? they just nerfed Rengar , and what do you think this will add to him? exactly what he did before but delayed now....

Steel BlossomFeb 10, 20161 votes

First, delay=huge %%%%erplay opportunity. Secondly, I'm saying that when assassins roam, they risk not getting jack shit from it and missing a wave or two of minions, which is HUGE for them. They also run the risk of messing up, getting turned on, and giving up a potential triple kill. Again, have you seen how badly a failed gank can go when you're squishy? Roaming is one of the best implementations of risk and reward; it's a double edge sword that you should stop portraying as a blatant strength.

BioticBronyFeb 9, 20161 votes

So lets say I am playing full armor taric and I get up to 600 armor (It is possible) lets say it is 500 bonus armor. That means I am taking 1500 true damage. Just from an auto-attack. Nah brah.

Steel BlossomFeb 9, 20161 votes

I did say numbers can be tweaked....