Should Poppy be the only one with an anti-dash field?

darkdill·Feb 24, 2017·22 votes·2,498 views

I think a Support Champion with the ability to place down an anti-dash field at a target location would make for some neat utility. But would that be a case of "That's inappropriate"?

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QuindecFeb 24, 201720 votes

Cassiopeia she has an anti dash field

RalanrFeb 24, 201711 votes

Honestly surprised we haven't seen more usage of the grounded effect.

Jeddy017Feb 24, 20172 votes

I guess they haven't found the right champ to give it to. Or maybe they did & that champ isn't out yet.

Golden Tager XFeb 24, 20172 votes

JarvanIV His ult should ground the primary target.

chipndip1Feb 24, 20171 votes

Reduce its damage some and give it that effect. So that Vayne can't just insta-tumble and beat his shit in.

Skins ProjectFeb 25, 20171 votes

Or just condem him into his own walls lol

Jeddy017Feb 24, 20174 votes

I could see that working, but then his ult will have to lose some damage (against the primary target at least).

That's the thing with adding grounded to existing champs without a rework. You have to take power from somewhere else in the kit to make up for the addition of this new mechanic. I remember when people said Viktor's W should get grounded effect. That shit already slows/stuns you & people wanted it to ground too? If he got grounded, he's either losing the slow part, the stun part or both parts are just straight up nerfed. That's probably why we haven't seen ground added to other champs. The champs will have to take hits in areas of their kits to make room for grounded or else they might be too strong. And I know for a fact, people will be very salty that their champs are changed for some mechanic they probably didn't think their champ need. This is probably why grounded isn't being added to a bunch of champs. Riot probably just saving it for reworks or new champs.

Golden Tager XFeb 24, 20171 votes

You could reduce the primary damage by about 15% make it deal half to secondaries, but have it shove them outside the ult so it becomes more of an arena and not a teamtrap.

5000000000000000Feb 24, 20171 votes

So more like Camille ultimate?

Golden Tager XFeb 24, 20171 votes

yeah, that is actually closer to what is was originally designed to be, back when not everyone had some form of a dash/flash in their kit.

5000000000000000Feb 25, 20171 votes

Isn't it suppressed to hold enemy grouped up so your team's AoE can decimate them?

CochoFeb 24, 20171 votes

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His ult should ground the primary target.

So Camille lol

SweedishGunnerFeb 25, 20171 votes

Because it's pretty cancerous.

DoozkuFeb 24, 201710 votes

I agree. Seems like the best way to counter mobility creep is by granting champions ways to directly counter it outside of point and click cc that is just as strong against immoblie champions. Of course this would have to be implemented differently to poppy shield but its definitely a good idea.

4th3t0sFeb 24, 20179 votes

Poppy works incredibly well as a support against hard engage champs like Leona / Thresh / Alistar or shutting down mobile adc's Lucian Vayne Kalista Corki

And don't even get me started on how wonderful it is to cockblock a LeeSin trying to go for early botlane cheese

medic titanFeb 24, 20171 votes

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Poppy works incredibly well as a support against hard engage champs like / / or shutting down mobile adc's

And don't even get me started on how wonderful it is to cockblock a trying to go for early botlane cheese

she cucks kalista extremely hard [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Glory ln DeathFeb 24, 20173 votes

Well, for her first auto attack, anyways.

Baron of BreadFeb 24, 20171 votes

It's usually enough, especially when she doesn't have much AS yet.

Glory ln DeathFeb 24, 20173 votes

Love playing support Poppy into Thresh! Oh, you thought you would just ride his little Lantern to safety? How about no?

Same thing with Bard - just knock them out of their magical journey halfway through.

Sexy Jack RabbitFeb 24, 20174 votes

Janna I dare you to dash. I DARE YOU.

5000000000000000Feb 24, 20173 votes

Zac charges up his slingshot Janna that's cute

Big LincolnFeb 24, 20172 votes

I think it would need to require being weaker in some form, given that Poppy can only do it from melee

but no, it wouldn't be unreasonable to offer more anti-mobility

darkdillFeb 24, 20171 votes

I think a zone that requires some wind-up before it activates (like Veigar's E) would be appropriate. It wouldn't be as instantaneous as Poppy's W, so it won't save you if Jax is already leaping at you.

4th3t0sFeb 24, 20171 votes

The problem with this is it takes away a defining part of Veigar's niche, and we already have a linear wall with Azir's ult.

I'm not against counterplay to mobility creep, but if you make defining parts of Champions kits more common, you devalue the reason for picking them in the first place

HeroquetFeb 24, 20172 votes

Problem is that many, many, maaaanyyyyy abilities that could be awesome on supports are put on other classes. Kalista's ultimate, Yasuo windwall, Ryze Ult (i mean glorified Tahm's ult), Poppy aoe anti-dash and ult, Cass line of grounded, Veigar cage, Fiora's ult (could be a "GO KILL ME THIS" on an offensive-buffer support, procable by allies only), Camille's ult (the ultimate lockdown, without aa buffs for the user), Yorick's ring, Anivia's wall, Azir's ult and so on.

None of these champs are picked specifically for that (they almost all do crazy high damage), but it's great utility. Trundle has been a support pick for a while partly thanks to his pillar (the difference between a good Trundle and a great Trundle) (yeah, his anti-tank ult was the point).

But supports have none of that cheating power. The closest thing we have is the lantern, equinox, unbreakable and... Tahm's ult maybe.

But better nerf bases shields / damage of the enchanters, yeah.

5000000000000000Feb 24, 20171 votes

Ryze ultimate is strong in that you can move channeling allies and minions. No other abilities in the game can do that.

AptestFeb 24, 20172 votes

I would be pretty happy about such a thing as long as it functions also VS teleports and dashes that have invulnerability frames on them (zed, maokai, fizz)

CasterGilgameshFeb 25, 20172 votes

you forgot Cassiopeia

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 24, 20171 votes

doesnt cassiopeia do that. also poppy is a good support into thresh very good. or other melees she does really well. for example taric u can ult him if he tries to ult team. very good into taric as well. just don't pick her against melees or braum

Sexy Jack RabbitFeb 24, 20171 votes

Into other melee's she does well, but don't pick her against melee's....

sta supraFeb 24, 20171 votes

while poppy isn't the only one with anti dash area's (taliyah, and cass come to me first) i do agree that a support champion that was more of a control mage that could do this and it seems like an interesting idea

Jeddy017Feb 24, 20171 votes

Well, Tali doesn't stop dashes. She just punish a champ for uses them. I do believe the topic of this thread is mechanics that complete stop or prevents mobility spells.

KiharonFeb 24, 20171 votes

Not instant, and not your typical support champion, but Veigar . His field is the most similar to Poppy's, stopping dashes once it spawns, and is ranged. It also has the bonus of keeping them from walking out as well, which Poppy does not have.

ModMaybeFiftyOttersFeb 24, 20171 votes

Taliyah can be played support and has a damage if you dash field but I like what you're getting at

NiaphimFeb 24, 20172 votes

Taliyah's field is actually more effective against immobile champions, because it slows, so dashes become the most effective way to get to safety. Then you can use her knockup on W to force them to take damage and continue your combo. This means, mobile champions lose some health and escape, while immobile champions lose their life.

Snowman ArcFeb 24, 20171 votes

Poppy can be utilized as a support. Like, not the clear-cut support like Taric or Janna, but a CC tanky support.

Skins ProjectFeb 25, 20171 votes

Goes gud with vayne Eva seend da double wall shove >:D

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 24, 20171 votes

Camille has an anti-dash field. :^)

SwiftKitten88Feb 24, 20171 votes

Azir Cassiopeia Poppy Camille Veigar

darkdillFeb 24, 20171 votes

I'm more thinking that whole "try to dash, get popped up" thing. Only ones with that are Poppy and Azir.

NechroniaFeb 24, 20171 votes

I think a gravity themed champion based on countering high mobility would be pretty cool.

IncarcerationFeb 24, 20171 votes

That would be cool.

AnonagonFeb 25, 20171 votes

I don't think there's much room for additon anti-dash zones in the game, considering there are four variants of it in the game already (Poppy, Cass, Veigar, and Taliyah). These champions already cover the enter spectrum of types of champion this type of ability would be appropriate on - a peeler (Poppy), immobile low/mid-range damage dealers (Cass for dps, Veigar for burst), and a zone control mage (Taliyah). An offensively oriented squishy support with that kind of ability would tread on Taliyah, while a peeler would tread on Poppy.

EDIT: there's another variant I forgot about. Azir ult! That champion exists!

CasterGilgameshFeb 25, 20171 votes

I can't really count Taliyah since it doesn't really stop the use of dashes or flashes.

AnonagonFeb 25, 20171 votes

Even if it doesn't directly stop dashes, it is an ability in the space of anti-dash fields, and a more direct anti-dash field on a similar champion (any squishy offensive control mage or support) would take away from taliyah's identity and unique strengths.