Riot, you added a baby sunfire - And that's cool! Have you considered adding a baby Essence Reaver?

GROMMI·3/19/2015, 2:03:19 AM·118 votes·11,981 views

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76 Comments

RiotKhoopa3/20/2015, 6:18:12 AM20 votes

One of the concepts that the systems team is kicking around is the idea of having more mid-tier components with baby "insert scalable mechanic here". Bami's Cinder is a, imho, successful product of that. I don't want to steal her thunder, but Reinboom is trying some neat on-hit oriented stuff with Recurve Bow that I hope will work out too.

That said, I think there is merit to the idea of a baby essence reaver, but there are more fundamental challenges to making that item feel good. Part of what a baby ER does is smooth out its build path - one of the issues I have with ER is the lack of mana regen on the way to the main event.

Then the challenge is, well, is baby ER to ER good enough (ie, is going from lesser mana on hit to less lesser mana on hit)? Maybe not, but we can investigate making ER have more interesting and masterable gameplay.

The fundamental question that lords all ER's is whether unlocking mana gates with baby ER is something we want for the game. That, we need to debate more internally about.

Edit - Words, missing.

darkdill3/19/2015, 2:28:12 AM9 votes

Riot says they deliberately will not make an item like that because it would make Talon, Jayce, Pantheon, Lucian, Ezreal, etc., super obnoxious. AD casters generally are supposed to be mana-gated early on, and giving them an early means of countering that? Sorry, can't happen.

That's why Essence Reaver has to have such a crappy build path: it's on-hit effect is godly for AD casters.

lightdragoon883/19/2015, 2:05:01 AM6 votes

Yes.

And maybe a baby frozen mallet?

The5lacker3/19/2015, 8:55:33 PM5 votes

Or we can just have ER build out of Forbidden Idol. item 3070 item 3114 item 3070

Oleandervine3/19/2015, 8:15:12 AM4 votes

If they were to do a Mini-Essence-Reaver, here's what I'd like it look like, and the build path for Essence Reaver to be:

Soul Sickle - item 1036 + 390G = 10AD, Unique Passive: Basic attacks restore 3 mana on hit. +item 1053 item 1037 = item 3508

The Mini-Reaver, or Soul Sickle as it was called when it was briefly being tested on the PBE (not this version, but a nearly exact version of the Essence Reaver with lesser stats), would have to have pretty lackluster, yet decent stats to be the price it needs to be to maintain the full price of the Reaver without modification. A flat mana gain on hit is the best way to balance an item like this so it doesn't become overly powerful or abused on champions, as this would ensure that they'd have to remain in combat attacking for quite some time in order to regain enough mana to refund some of their spells.

Yuki Akuma3/19/2015, 4:16:05 AM4 votes

Baby essence reaver

Pantheon is now god tier.

Fadedpf3/19/2015, 4:03:58 AM3 votes

Essence reaver is already pathetic, the passive is just crap.

FistOfSharkiesha3/19/2015, 4:38:08 AM3 votes

Essence Reaver is such a worthless noob trap but something as simple as this would make it 100% viable on several champions. Support.

Kuroi863/19/2015, 4:28:01 AM3 votes

item 1036 + 440 gold = blue item 1053 10 AD 10% cdr Unique passive: Restores 1-4% of damage dealt by basic attacks as mana. This effect increases based on missing mana.

aaronconlin3/20/2015, 3:17:52 PM2 votes

Honestly I think the build path should include item 3114 and a mana regen passive

Saianna3/19/2015, 5:08:34 AM2 votes

How about item that converts x% of damage taken into mana? That way Ap junglers could use it also & it would be suited more for tanks

Jamnon3/19/2015, 11:46:06 PM2 votes

ONLY on the condition that the item actually be named "baby essence reaver"

MoistTravis3/21/2015, 2:25:43 PM1 votes

When can we haz a magic weapon with the same active as item 3139 item 3140 ? Need to get rid of a few problems.Brand Ahri Cassiopeia Lissandra Morgana Veigar Zed Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar

It Hertz When IP3/20/2015, 1:11:27 AM1 votes

What about the baby version only restoring mana from basic attacks against champs and jungle creeps? Junglers would still get the benefit, but top laners and ADCs would have to do some serious AA harassing to really get any mana back.

A Miss Fortune3/20/2015, 5:13:17 AM1 votes

Is there even a purpose of Cinderhulk passive? I honestly just buy other upgrades on tanks. Only thing good on it is that 25% health but not sure how that is suppose to work. Does it give you extra max health of your own base? Or of the item's health?