a very fair and interesting idea for incoming Tank roster

GodJormungandr··1 votes·486 views
  1. Overprice Tank items, so tank users won't finish build in mid game and become insane
  2. change the stats of tank items so tank users won't be keep farming to be useful
  3. Vanguards supposed to be a very late game monsters, We could give them a massive scaling in very late game and their itemization are same price as Heavy ad/Ap items so people won't go vanguard support and finish build without getting Cs that'll force tank users to play Vanguards only in jungle or top to be the late game monsters. Vanguards supposed to be weak early, decent mid game, Godlikes in very late game. so their very pay off will be in only late game and their build must be expensive so they won't catch up easily unless they do a very good play outs. For wardens you can keep their itemization because most wardens are counted as support/ tanks, For example they build Randuin, Frozen heart, banshee, these are not expensive and they are pretty good for wardens to catch up but Wardens supposed to ok in early game / strong tanks mid game / extremely tanky in teamwork late game.

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Ralanr2 votes

item 3035: Late game tanks? You mean my bitches?

GodJormungandr1 votes

lol i didn't say anything about counter items, you will still have the counter items to kill them, i am talking about their itemization, Vanguards suppose to have expensive build but very strong in late game. Wardens are fine using cheap build and stay tanky because their main role is to be super defensive and help teammates stay alive.

Ralanr1 votes

The problem is that with item 3035 and item 3036 existing, there is no late game for tanks. So they effectively have strong early games, spike mid, and fall off late.

If tanks had weak early games and expensive gear, they wouldn't be played because they would be too heavily bullied and would have no powerspike because most of their build would be denied by one item. They can't have the same pricing as heavy AD/AP because they eventually get outscaled by the damage.

If you want tanks to scale late, you need to rework how anti tank gear works. Your idea just kills all viability of vanguards and makes only wardens played as tanks.

GodJormungandr1 votes

well i agree with you but there can be something different than that, For example more hp stats or armor stats on tank items so no one else uses them only the very tank users and they decrease the pentration items and lethality so they won't melt the tanky in seconds. However if these items are overpriced that's fine because you have to bully the tanky to deny his farm so he won't be monster but if he wins against you in lane and keeps farming and no one stops him, his late game will be the very pay off. Doesn't matter how strong the penetration items and lethality are right now, In tank roster these items will be nerfed.

Ralanr1 votes

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well i agree with you but there can be something different than that, For example more hp stats or armor stats on tank items so no one else uses them only the very tank users and they decrease the pentration items and lethality so they won't melt the tanky in seconds.

More stats on tank items doesn't prevent other people from using tank items well. It's less stats on tank items and higher stats on tank champions. Which Meddler already said hasn't proven well because people just kept building damage with those high base stats.

However if these items are overpriced that's fine because you have to bully the tanky to deny his farm so he won't be monster but if he wins against you in lane and keeps farming and no one stops him, his late game will be the very pay off.

The problem is that you're also making these tanks super weak early, meaning that they'll be easy lanes or worse, uninteractive ones because they'll be farming under tower. At least GP can AoE farm, tanks don't always have that luxery.

Doesn't matter how strong the penetration items and lethality are right now, In tank roster these items will be nerfed.

Probably, but your idea is quite frankly, bad. If you push tank items to be more late game oriented, then you fuck tanks over because of their limited income and their mid game role (because midgame is when teamfights start happening).

GodJormungandr1 votes

According to the first sentence you wrote. My answer is: Exactly, why? since high stats scaling on tanks won't be confirmed, then 100% will be new items build that works for tanks because they will be { Expensive } for example you play lucian and you have 2 options to buy an item that costs 3800, would you buy infinity edge or a tank item that costs 3800 as well? no doubt for that you'll for sure go for 3800 Infinity Edge because you need it, same thing goes to Vanguards. They'll make expensive build that works so well for them in late game, Not wardens, talking about vanguards because they'll have very unique itemization in tank roster

Ralanr1 votes

It's not Lucian that's a problem. It's Mundo, Darius or even divers.

GodJormungandr1 votes

Yes and they are going to change that in Tank roster, well Darius and divers considered Different than tanks Darius is a juggernaut, you can build almost anything on juggernaut no one will look at that, why? because they are the juggernauts, they can handle almost any sort of build and that's their role. Divers are Semi fighters semi tanks but have ability to dive in teamworks, can also be built damage and some tanks. But Mundo is considered Tank, they will no longer make the option of IE to overpower your E in the best situation,well it will still benefit it but no longer in tank in roster, Riot themselves told us, They'll make Tanks unique and different than anyone else, they'll have a unique build path and they'll remove as much as they can the idea of full "damage items build on tanks". And yes back to what i wrote, we knew already that if you are lucian even if you see a strong tank item costs 3800 you'll still go for IE because it's your main role and it benefits you so well than tank build on lucian.

Same thing will happen to Tanks in Tank roster, Ie will benefit but small benefit but for example an incoming new Tank item that's almost same price to Ie , when Tank users build it they'll benefit themselves Massively more than anyone else and people will be almost forced to build it than damage item same as when lucian goes for Ie than tank item, that what will happen exactly.

Back to darius as a juggernaut, there is literally no main build for Juggernauts, Riot also said that Juggernauts considered as a very unique type of Fighters, if you build them full tank, they will benefit, if build them tank ad or ad or or tank + attack speed they will still benefit from it. They will keep that idea of giving juggernauts more optional build in tank roster. if you are a darius and you have 2 options for item costs 3000, would you go for Cleaver or a tank item costs 3000? well you can choose any, why? because you are a juggernaut and indeed we can not blame what juggernauts build.

AlienPrimate1 votes

The problem with that statement is that a lot of vanguard and warden items overlap.

GodJormungandr1 votes

That's fine because Riot actually said that They will make items only for Tank users so no one else uses them, well they can use them but it won't scale on them it'll be very good on tanks only. So i am guessing a very expensive Tank items with heavy stats on it so for example, if you are a fighter not { tanky} and you want to win the lane against another fighter you have 2 options, buy the expensive ad item or the cheap counter tank item that kills him in lane. They will stop this for what i understood. For example they'll make Tank items As pricy as Ad or heavy ap items so the fighters who are not tanks won't build these items to win the lane, they'll stick to their role, But Wardens, Vanguards will be chosen for these sort of items and that's kinda what i heard and what i understood.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

MAKE HEALTH INCREASE YOUR HITBOX SIZE

Glîtchy1 votes

Late game tanks? Nasus

GodJormungandr1 votes

nasus is Juggernaut lol. I am talking about Tanks { Wardens, Vanguards ]

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