Blade of the ruined King worthless?

SlashStriker·Nov 19, 2015·5 votes·1,470 views

so they buffed crits and nerfed blade

Every time i try to build blade on Yi i fail miserably but when i go crits i dominate like boss. And thats really strange thing that i cannot understand well. If they go armor they counter Blade and now for me its a wonder item like should i even get it.

Worst thing about it is that Cutlass also got way more expansive for what it gives. Vamp Sc. 900 gold + long sword 350 = 1250 gold. Where does other 400 gold go into? the baby slow and baby damage? Thats way overpriced man! it should stay 1400 gold for entire cutlass as you dont get any more stats. When you build zeal or bf sword you get way better stats than building Cutlass

Not to mention that cowsep now goes wierd ap yi on hit build. That be nice if Alpha get no damage from AP and for some reason it works. He even said that he doesnt wanna build blade anymore cause its more expansive and got nerfed

13 Comments

KorilloNov 19, 20157 votes

They ruined it

GetMariahCarriedNov 19, 20151 votes

I see what you did there...

MilfHuntUnitXJ9Nov 19, 20154 votes

% health damage was always designed for taking down tanks. When the percent is too high and it turns from a utility weapon to a kill everything systematically weapon, that's when it gets out of hand. Make sense?

ZephyrDrakeNov 19, 20153 votes

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% health damage was always designed for taking down tanks. When the percent is too high and it turns from a utility weapon to a kill everything systematically weapon, that's when it gets out of hand. Make sense?

except that it's based off current HP and now the amount is so low that it can't even do anything against tanks since they just build a little armor and the item is tickling them. There is little reason to ever pick BotRK anymore

GetMariahCarriedNov 20, 20152 votes

6% from the 8% that was weirdly effective against all champions, tanks or not, regardless of the item's intent. Yeah, it's SOOOOOO LOOOOW now.

Tankbusting kits on adc's, before and after:

Before:

Last Whisper + Bork + pen mastery/runes
On 400 armor rammus, that was about 8% of Rammus's current health mitigated by about 230 unpenetrated armor.

After:

Lord Dominik's + new pen masteries + same pen marks
Giant slayer boosting 6% of current health damage to about 7%
On 400 armor rammus, that is now about 7% of Rammus's current health mitigated by about 240 unpenetrated armor.

So, basically the same mitigation as before, only 1% less of rammus's current health. 1%, at maybe 4k full health, is 40 less damage, reducing to 0 less damage at near death, averaging at 20 less damage per attack overall... yep totally useless now.

Here, have a tissue...

ZephyrDrakeNov 20, 20153 votes

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6% from the 8% that was weirdly effective against all champions, tanks or not, regardless of the item's intent. Yeah, it's SOOOOOO LOOOOW now.

Tankbusting kits on adc's, before and after:

Before:

Last Whisper + Bork + pen mastery/runes

On 400 armor rammus, that was about 8% of Rammus's current health mitigated by about 230 unpenetrated armor.

After:

Lord Dominik's + new pen masteries + same pen marks

Giant slayer boosting 6% of current health damage to about 7%

On 400 armor rammus, that is now about 7% of Rammus's current health mitigated by about 240 unpenetrated armor.

So, basically the same mitigation as before, only 1% less of rammus's current health. 1%, at maybe 4k full health, is 40 less damage, reducing to 0 less damage at near death, averaging at 20 less damage per attack overall... yep totally useless now.

Here, have a tissue...

a tissue for what? i'm talking purely for BotRK, you do know that ADCs aren't the only ones who built it right? and that not everyone builds any LW items, BotRK not only lost 2% but also got a price increase. You are trying way to hard to proof nothing at all, if anything you are the one who needs a tissue here. If you want to get BotRK go ahead, no one is stopping you but ADCs can just build something else that will get them better sustain and/or damage anyways so tell me once again how is BotRK in a good spot right now?

GetMariahCarriedNov 20, 20152 votes

Okay, fine, let's talk other champs.

Jungles got sated, which put bork into overdrive, thus motivating an eventual nerf. They still proc it 50% more often, which is roughtly 9% damage on average per-hit now over the 8% pre-sated, and even more on shyv with the additional cdr on q's from sated.
On-hit fighters got some decent itemization buffs, and are in about the same position.

You do know these changes actually happened, right? Or do you just gawk at that -2% like it's the end of the world or something?

"Trying way too hard". i.e. backing my claims with a few sentences. Glad to know people care whether claims are full of crap or actually sound these days. It feels good knowing I can still have an edifying conversation with intelligent points brought forth and appreciated by all parties. It would suck if I was just left with mostly crap to sift through. That would mean most people love to read bogus claims based on squat - ya know, whatever's easy to read and requires zero thought to accept. Let's hope that never happens.

ZephyrDrakeNov 20, 20152 votes

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Okay, fine, let's talk other champs.

Jungles got sated, which put bork into overdrive, thus motivating an eventual nerf. They still proc it 50% more often, which is roughtly 9% damage on average per-hit now over the 8% pre-sated, and even more on shyv with the additional cdr on q's from sated.

On-hit fighters got some decent itemization buffs, and are in about the same position.

You do know these changes actually happened, right? Or do you just gawk at that -2% like it's the end of the world or something?

"Trying way too hard". i.e. backing my claims with a few sentences. Glad to know people care whether claims are full of crap or actually sound these days. It feels good knowing I can still have an edifying conversation with intelligent points brought forth and appreciated by all parties. It would suck if I was just left with mostly crap to sift through. That would mean most people love to read bogus claims based on squat - ya know, whatever's easy to read and requires zero thought to accept. Let's hope that never happens.

sure, let's have a garbage item in the game whose only purpose is to be used by sated or never be used otherwise since there are way better items in the game you can get. Sorry to break your bubble but there is little reason to ever pick BotRK over the many better options that are available in the game right now. But that's fine the item is still useful for sated junglers right!? You do know that it's because of all of the changes that happened IN ADDITION to the item itself fro being nerfed that the item itself is in a bad spot right?

SasogwaNov 20, 20152 votes

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6% from the 8% that was weirdly effective against all champions, tanks or not, regardless of the item's intent. Yeah, it's SOOOOOO LOOOOW now.

Tankbusting kits on adc's, before and after:

Before:

Last Whisper + Bork + pen mastery/runes

On 400 armor rammus, that was about 8% of Rammus's current health mitigated by about 230 unpenetrated armor.

After:

Lord Dominik's + new pen masteries + same pen marks

Giant slayer boosting 6% of current health damage to about 7%

On 400 armor rammus, that is now about 7% of Rammus's current health mitigated by about 240 unpenetrated armor.

So, basically the same mitigation as before, only 1% less of rammus's current health. 1%, at maybe 4k full health, is 40 less damage, reducing to 0 less damage at near death, averaging at 20 less damage per attack overall... yep totally useless now.

Here, have a tissue...

Yet it costs more and becomes garbage against everyone else. I need no tissue, as botrk's %health is toxic design, but botrk IS garbage right now. They basically took away one fourth of the on-hit and increased the price, while nerfing the buildpath. That's pretty much it. If you think it's a good item against whoever you're facing, keep buying it. You'll be surprised.

PS : even on the very favorable biased scenario you put, 20 damage per auto is huge.

disregardableNov 19, 20151 votes

I much preferred bork on vayne than the shiv+rapid cannon build people are trying now. I think you're exaggerating.

GetMariahCarriedNov 19, 20151 votes

Bork not working on a dude known for deleting squishies in 3 crits is not surprising. And if it worked before on Yi, it's probably a good thing it doesn't now.

The reason for the nerf to the bork passive is to balance out everything ELSE added over the past couple of months that basically puts bork on steroids.

The sated passive
Runaan's being good on every other adc now
Kog with attack speed that blots out the sun
On-hit hybrid champs getting a little more love

Bork was fine until these changes, but was due for a nerf the MOMENT Riot changed devourer's. But if Riot nerfed it then, it would have hit too many non-jungle champs reliant on bork at a time when none of them had additional steroids that balanced it out. Choosing to nerf it in the adc/sustain patch was excellent timing. After that patch, EVERY bork toter had the synergies to compensate for a bork nerf, instead of just a few champs. Most people shunning bork now don't seem to get this. It's actually as excellent a dps item as it was a few months ago.

Maybe not for EVERY scenario. But if the mixture of nerfed stats with boosted synergies has now turned bork into a niche tank-busting item, well then... GOOD! That's what it was SUPPOSE TO BE FOR ALL ALONG! The whole point of these changes is to add some serious tradeoffs between different champ/item choices, rather than have a bunch of ubiquitously effective picks and builds that are spammed to the point of monotony. Bork was one of those items. Ever seen a zed rush a bork against every squishy mage in the game? I have... on every Zed I've ever seen. What's wrong with this picture?

Riot is trying to address a long-standing problem that, in trying to add one item/champ/mechanic for one specific purpose, they tend to make things that are either a) not really useful for that or any other purpose or b) useful for that as well as all OTHER purposes. This was never a good thing. Riot's finally finding a route to reaching some of their longstanding game-mechanic goals. Balancing these items in isolation to recorrect their course has never really worked. Riot's new approach of COMBINING changes over MULTIPLE items/champs/mechanics to tackle specific problems of specific items is actually working rather neatly (still hate that SR games now end at half builds though.)

Yordle XayahNov 19, 20151 votes

BorK is fine as an item... the thing is, with Warlord's: Why would you even buy Life Steal at all? Having crit will give you much more powerful reliable sustain, so why bother with Life Steal.