Do you remember when Warmog's gave 1500 HP

Talamare·Dec 15, 2014·38 votes·5,357 views

or when Aegis aura gave 40 MR, 35 Armor and 10 AD

84 Comments

Done25Dec 15, 2014101 votes

You mean back when tanks weren't walking paper pinatas for their marksman overlords to shoot at?

YfrappefortDec 15, 201423 votes

{quoted} You mean back when tanks weren't walking paper pinatas for their marksman overlords to shot at?

I wish I could +1 this more.

GorbacheDec 15, 20142 votes

{quoted} You mean back when tanks weren't walking paper pinatas for their marksman overlords to shot at?

You mean, not like Maokai surviving for 10-20 seconds and peeling for his full team like he does now? Maybe the problem isn't so much the itemization but the fact that there are no enough champions optimized for tanking.

SammystormDec 15, 20148 votes

his percent damage reduction allows him to do that. Mundo can kind of do it. Every one else is considerable less tanky then they use to be.

TJAyoDec 15, 20142 votes

That might also be due to the fact that as the game expanded, more assassins and bursty fighters (kha, rengar, vi,wukong, hecarim, jax, zed, lb, fizz, talon) are introduced and practiced, so if tanks were just gigantic and assassins could kill an adc in an average of 2 seconds (I think pre change rengar was the fastest assassin at like .3-something seconds), you need to lower tankiness so that adc's can be much more impactful, and supports have more windows to make plays through peels&heals.

SammystormDec 15, 20144 votes

all of those champions were around in season 2 and the only 2 that were particularly effective vi and rengar. What gave assassins such a boost was the item changes going into season 3. the pen changes helped a lot too.

TJAyoDec 15, 20141 votes

That is also true and my point still stands, as killing adc's became easier there had to be a way to make adc's more effective while not deleting the viability of assassins, hence make the role that needs to keep the squishies alive weaker.

SammystormDec 16, 20142 votes

As of the item update 4.something ( don't remember exact patch) ADC's have been the strongest they have been since season 2. The only difference back then was that tanks stats were really good and flat pen was not very efficient. So it would take a considerable amount of damage to soak through the front lines.

L7xLoTekDec 16, 20141 votes

You're right, the armor and magic penetration change to ideal order (from flat first, percentage last to percentage first, flat last) was a huge change, and tanks were never really compensated for it.

ImHerVoiceDec 15, 20146 votes

LOL good ol days.

Meep ManDec 15, 201422 votes

DrMundo item 3111 item 3083 item 3143 item 3065 item 3026 item 3022 item 2137 "Mundo is tanky!"

Tristana item 3006 item 3035 item 3031 item 3072 item 3071 item 3153 item 2140 "This build says otherwise!"

DUDE BRODec 15, 201433 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GRAs1Q0x,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2014-12-15T22:16:47.338+0000) "Mundo is tanky!"

"This build says otherwise!"

Fixed that for you.

exiledFromBadmenDec 16, 20141 votes

Vayne I'll make it better.

4nth0l0gyDec 15, 201420 votes

You mean when Mundo actually went where he pleased?

KijinxDec 16, 20141 votes

Volibear item 3083 item 3111 + force of nature, regen HP so fast that you'd win any fight. Plus that bite execute dmg.

SexyTaylorSwiftDec 15, 201412 votes

Lol, at least give it 1k again. I don't get why they are nerfing everything that isn't Lee Sin and marksmen.

SecretAgentHulkDec 15, 20142 votes

The S5 change was nothing but a buff to S4 Warmog's.

SecretAgentHulkDec 16, 20142 votes

OK, downvoters, could you please explain your reasoning? I'm genuinely interested. Personally, I'd trade 200HP (what is that, three hits from an ADC) for 3x the health regen out of combat, but why would you rather have the 200HP?

TengrichanDec 16, 20143 votes

How will that health regen allow you to survive in combat?

SecretAgentHulkDec 16, 20141 votes

If you can get out alive after peeling for your team, you only have to wait a few seconds before going back in to save them because they don't know how to pull out of a bad fight. If you're in a prolonged fountain siege, it lets you hang back while they attack towers, then jump in again when the enemy team respawns.

If you want to stay alive longer in teamfights, get a Randuin's; that's what everyone does anyway. Warmog's has become the siege item.

manbearswineDec 16, 20142 votes

{quoted} Lol, at least give it 1k again. I don't get why they are nerfing everything that isn't Lee Sin and marksmen.

Don't forget zed and thresh.

TalamareDec 15, 201412 votes

ADC Jungler is starting to happen now

Oh and ADC Top

and ADC Support (Kalista, Ashe, etc)

Bow to your ADC Overlords

TiropatDec 15, 201412 votes

Quinn top Ezreal mid Twitch jungle Ashe support Corki bot carry

crippler38Dec 16, 20142 votes

Mordekaiser top Yasuo mid Rengar jungle Alistar support Draven adc

draven is only there because nobody seems to want to think that an assassin bot is a good idea, but seriously with no tanks that teem will just go poof, although your point is very valid

FlemmanDec 16, 20141 votes

item 3070 Rammus

LavenderloinsDec 16, 20141 votes

I did this. It was great. EZ Win :D

YexaCDec 16, 20141 votes

I could play with my ass vs silver, bronze and unranked and win. No clue what you're talking about.

JunkοDec 16, 20143 votes

Yeah he should try that in Challenger, cause god forbid people actually played for fun and not to prove their skill right?

exiledFromBadmenDec 16, 20141 votes

Completely true

FarRockBFDec 15, 20149 votes

DrMundo + item 3083

Yum.

not a starburstDec 16, 20142 votes

Vayne item 3153 item 3252 item 3031 item 3046 item 3078 item 3071 lol 2mlg4u

Bubble BèéDec 16, 20141 votes

He's talking about when that actually worked, even against a vayne, I have some games on record of me doing that build way back, years ago, when I first started playing league :p

FredartDec 16, 20141 votes

Do you remember the Twitch item 3068 item 3117 reason why twitch lost that half minute invis?

Bubble BèéDec 17, 20141 votes

Don't remind me of it x.x it was cancer.

DrMemesDec 16, 20141 votes

{quoted}

+

Yum.

item 3153 Tasty.

Ungrateful ThugDec 15, 20149 votes

Never forget Force of Nature. God, I miss that item.

Lajinn5Dec 15, 20147 votes

Rest in Peace Force of Nature and Runic Bulwark

HibekiDec 16, 20142 votes

Runic Bulwark wasn't alive long enough to be remembered, that shit wasn't even up for half a season before riot took it down for having being the ONLY hybrid defence item for a tank that wasn't GA

Kowe The EwokDec 15, 20146 votes

Yea, that Atmogs w. FoN...

Olaf vs Warwick... everybody hitting each other for 3 minutes, nobody died. Off tanks would kill support, carry and mage 1v3... So fcking imbalanced...

Now 2v1 actually means something which is good.

ImHerVoiceDec 15, 201419 votes

anything better than ADC meta. ANYTHING.

Kowe The EwokDec 15, 20147 votes

Your statment proved that you are a newer player and didn't experience these horrors.

Btw. why do people call it ADC meta if 5 out of 6 banned champions are assassins?

CarrierKestralDec 15, 201411 votes

due to the banning of said assassins, the game is dominated by which DMP machine performs better since neither side has anything that can safely delete the enemy DPM machine. Now that tanks don't exist anymore, DPM machines control the entire game. thats why you see full AD teams of assassins in normal Q stomping the pubs. Assassins now walk into the bar and there is no counter.

GunpointDec 15, 20145 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kowe The Ewok,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GRAs1Q0x,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2014-12-15T19:58:07.737+0000) Your statment proved that you are a near player and didn't experience these horrors.

Btw. why do people call it ADC meta if 5 out of 6 banned champions are assassins?

Probably because with all the banned Assassins the ADC's are stronger as there is nobody to assassinate them.

SookoDec 15, 201414 votes

Btw. why do people call it ADC meta if 5 out of 6 banned champions are assassins?

Because they kill the ADCs otherwise :P

Srry couldn't resist :3

summoner 31

EDIT: Oh man I got Shen'd...

HetchyDec 16, 20145 votes

Pepperidge Farm doesn't even remember this.

TeemoJenkinsDec 15, 20144 votes

I remember!

TheKingDodoDec 15, 20144 votes

Back when LeeSin is Garen teed to gank at lvl 2 and builds atmas (rip) + item 3083 and is even more cancerous? stacking item 3068 on Evelynn and Teemo Rip Force of Nature, Rip Leviathan, Rip Innervating locket :'(

balbraakselDec 15, 20144 votes

I mainly miss the old WotA with that aura it had granting your entire team 20% spellvamp.

ApplesauceyDec 16, 20141 votes

Double APC meta with them both building WOTA was fun, due to the strange way it stacked giving the two apc's 40% spell vamp while in range of each other :P

balbraakselDec 29, 20141 votes

Yeah that still happens with some aura buffs. I knew it was a really good item to buy at the time so I always bought it on Lulu which I played as support. It also had 20 AP on the aura if I remember correctly.