can't understand why Riot nerfed Mages

KONO RUBICK DA·Nov 12, 2015·5 votes·430 views

IN THE SAME TIME THEY BUFFED CRIT AND SUSTAIN.

seriously? now they are unplayable, literally can't play fiddle anymore. Anyone else is having this issue?

15 Comments

alasarcherNov 12, 20152 votes

They didnt nerf mages. They just balanced prices arround gold gain increase. Sometimes i wonder if people read entire patch note...

KONO RUBICK DANov 12, 20151 votes

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They didnt nerf mages. They just balanced prices arround gold gain increase. Sometimes i wonder if people read entire patch note...

you think that i didn't read them? balancing prices reduces mages's power, in the same time they increased the power of every AD champions. Did you play fiddle? his clear time was already shit, now zhonya costs 3500 gold and he doesn't have a good jungle item to increase his damage on monsters, it's impossible to have it quickly.

meanwhile the entier enemy team made of only AD (because that's what people play right now) already have their items and kill you in a second and have gravious wound. This or it's you doing no damage because you don't have any items.

ElindisNov 12, 20152 votes

Have you actually played the game? Everyone i know is saying mages feel far better now

TeCoolMageNov 12, 20152 votes

Try refuting the argument, maybe that will work.

Mr. I-Have-Friends-Who's-Opinions-Represent-The-Truth-Therefore-I-Play-Better-And-More-Often-Than-You

LinhHNNov 12, 20152 votes

Inb4 everyone he knows only plays ad mages.

Also, people tend to immediately ignore everything you say after you say something as blatantly wrong as swain's ult isn't a self-heal. So please know what you are saying before you say it and back it up with sound logic.

ElindisNov 14, 20151 votes

Look at the win rates. Malph, Rammus, Mundo having nearly 60% win rate Vel'koz, Malzahar and Brand in top 20 win rate champions

I never said Swain's R isn't a self heal, i said he got stronger than he was before patch. While his sustain got hit, his damage skyrocketed with Deathfire, just like his winrate.

Btw. im Vel'koz main myself, and he's far more powerful than pre-patch Vel'koz. Some mages Viktor, Veigar, Lux got hit by masteries but others are coming up and shining.

LinhHNNov 14, 20151 votes

... Malph, Rammus, and Mundo are not mages, they're tanks and they're only good cuz everyone's going AD champs. How does that show that mages feel far better when you're talking about how tanks are doing great? how are you even getting reliable numbers on winrate when it's 2 days into the patch? Everyone's still getting used to changes and half the winrates are skewed because people are picking up ad champs that they don't play well so they can learn the new changes. I'd wait until champion.gg aggregates 5.22 data before saying anything about win rates.

"Grievous wounds are reworked completely as they only work for self-heals. Swain got huge buffs because of this." Doesn't that sound like you're saying swain's R isn't a self heal?

TeCoolMageNov 12, 20152 votes

Some parts they nerfed, some parts they buffed, but they're still in need of changes, so whatever.

LinhHNNov 12, 20152 votes

As a high plat fid main, I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that fiddle as he is now is officially dead in plat+ where people know how he works (he's still pretty free in lower elo because a lot of people don't know how he works). Better to find a new champ until they rework him. Preseason S5 was his golden time, he's been getting ability nerfs ever since (passive, q, w, e, some abilities even several times). Then they got rid of magus saying that the item is too niche and that fiddle mains skip it for zhonya. Ok, let's say I buy their excuse to get rid of magus (which I think is something they pulled out of their ***) Now they have literally made it impossible to not get the jungle item because of xp dependency in jg and if you don't get it, your clear and leveling gets set insanely behind.

Not to mention everything fiddle buys got increased price (before anyone says it's just to keep up with gold gains, that's BS because increasing price of 1 subset of items and not increasing another subset while everyone gets the same gold gain is a nerf, they could also have kept AP prices the same and lowered AD prices and it'd be the same effect) (AP items also got significantly nerfed in stats a few patches ago). And grievous wounds has been basically made super cheap to get. RIP fiddle.

KONO RUBICK DANov 14, 20151 votes

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As a high plat fid main, I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that fiddle as he is now is officially dead in plat+ where people know how he works (he's still pretty free in lower elo because a lot of people don't know how he works). Better to find a new champ until they rework him. Preseason S5 was his golden time, he's been getting ability nerfs ever since (passive, q, w, e, some abilities even several times). Then they got rid of magus saying that the item is too niche and that fiddle mains skip it for zhonya. Ok, let's say I buy their excuse to get rid of magus (which I think is something they pulled out of their ***) Now they have literally made it impossible to not get the jungle item because of xp dependency in jg and if you don't get it, your clear and leveling gets set insanely behind.

Not to mention everything fiddle buys got increased price (before anyone says it's just to keep up with gold gains, that's BS because increasing price of 1 subset of items and not increasing another subset while everyone gets the same gold gain is a nerf, they could also have kept AP prices the same and lowered AD prices and it'd be the same effect) (AP items also got significantly nerfed in stats a few patches ago). And grievous wounds has been basically made super cheap to get. RIP fiddle.

you think that i don't know? i'm a fiddle main, he is just unplayable no way to make him working

ElindisNov 12, 20151 votes

Except mages weren't nerfed

KONO RUBICK DANov 12, 20152 votes

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Except mages weren't

mr buffed cost increased while ad items cost weren't increased (which is a nerf) lifesteal buffed gravious wound being better for AD critical strike buffed damage reduction buffed for AD

???

ElindisNov 12, 20151 votes

Ad items got nerfed in terms of raw AD Grievous wounds are reworked completely as they only work for self-heals. Swain got huge buffs because of this.

Crit wasn't buffed, there are just more sources for it

All DOT mages are ridiculously strong now, combo mages got buffed too. Seriously just go and play the game.

KONO RUBICK DANov 12, 20151 votes

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Ad items got nerfed in terms of raw AD Grievous wounds are reworked completely as they only work for self-heals. Swain got huge buffs because of this.

Crit wasn't buffed, there are just more sources for it

All DOT mages are ridiculously strong now, combo mages got buffed too. Seriously just go and play the game.

i will begin by pointing out how retarded you are because swain's ulti IS SELF-HEALS, WHICH IS A HUGE NERF TO HIM.

then, can we talk about how Raw AD isn't what only make AD strong? how about we don't forget about lifesteal,crit,spell vamp on AD items, cost of items, gravious wound buffed followed by insanely strong passive?

KONO RUBICK DANov 12, 20151 votes

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