So i can beat fiora in lane but she can beat me mid late game simply.

MunchCrunchLunch·Sep 25, 2016·15 votes·1,779 views

by spamming Q at me. why the hell does she get the low cd on her Q. i can't fucking run away from her. she dives under turret. heal pops up. no damage done. what is this bs. how the hell do i run away from her. turrets don't even do anything to her. her Q spam has literally no counterplay. she has literally a master yi ultimate. and two slows. yes am QQing about this because of fioras QQ spam. how is that a fair mechanic. i don't get it. you beat her in lane. gets two items. face rolls your chasing down under your own turret

#HighSkillCap my ass.

49 Comments

Zdiddy513Sep 25, 201610 votes

The CD on her q is only low if she has a target to dash to, I.e. you or a minion. Treat her like a fed yasuo. dont push so far up that she will easily be able to catch you. She is the grand duelist for a reason so avoid dueling her mid-late game 1v1. Force a 5v4 team fight to make her choose between TP into to try and help or continue split pushing. She is not very good at team fighting unless she is dumb fed (which she isn't since you beat her in lane).

Weiner the PoohSep 25, 20165 votes

these circle jerkers won't listen to you or logic, they're too busy being angry about not auto wining with a face roll tank.

VeltoxSep 25, 20162 votes

Being dumb enough to complain about tank's at how overloaded armor pen and item 3036 are.

Weiner the PoohSep 25, 20161 votes

For one, im not complaining about tanks. I mentioned Malphite, and it was in reference to the fact he said "a month after her release" a month after her release was still Season 5. When Lord Dominiks wasn't even out yet, when tanks were running rampant. Hell, even half way through Season 6 tanks were still op, but he was still talking about Season 5. And if he meant this Season, then he as lying, because then that would not be a month after her release now, is it.

BesthunterjkSep 25, 20169 votes

She's bullshit, everyone knows that

MunchCrunchLunchSep 25, 20164 votes

the other day as a 5/0 jax. she fucking 1v1d me. she was 0/5. a level behind. like she just fuckin delivers. lmao. i never had that happen to me. fiora is the only champion you can beat the shit out of. comes back with one item and rollface you.

BesthunterjkSep 25, 20163 votes

I know, i have something like 500k Mastery on Jax. Even with Exhaust she can easily shit on you, i also landed the fucking stun

Weiner the PoohSep 25, 20161 votes

Vayne is the same way. Bull shit Fiora is the only champ like that, hell even Jax is like that.

PermabannedGarenSep 25, 20161 votes

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the other day as a 5/0 jax. she fucking 1v1d me. she was 0/5. a level behind. like she just fuckin delivers. lmao. i never had that happen to me. fiora is the only champion you can beat the shit out of. comes back with one item and rollface you.

You must be extremely bad at Jax.

ShadòwSep 25, 20168 votes

Well she is called the Grand Duelist for a reason.

When she has 2-3 Items, don't try to 1v1 her anymore.

Push out your wave and go on other lanes, get turrets, get objectives. That's how you beat her.

She isn't that much of a fast pusher so you don't have to worry about her splitpush too much. Simply going top now and then to push out the wave is enough.

I simply see too much threads on this boards with people complaining that a Champ is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Fiora was pretty damn OP when the rework came out, but now i actually consider her being in a balanced state.

Yes, she can chase you down half your lane and kill you in an 1v1. When you know that, don't play into her strength.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 25, 20163 votes

GAINT AOE HEAL FOR YOUR TEAM

she sucks in team fights

Tychusfindlay919Sep 25, 20161 votes

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GAINT AOE HEAL FOR YOUR TEAM

she sucks in team fights

She does, because if she activates it on the tank she gets cc locked and nuked and the tank doesnt die fast enough, if she tries to put it in the backline she gets cc locked and nuked and no one gets to the backline fast enough to proc it.

Basically she gets cc locked and nuked. At best she parries one cc ability and gets whacked with another afterwards. Since she cant build tank anymore she gets taken to nuke city in team fights before she deletes someone.

VeltoxSep 25, 20162 votes

'Parries one cc ability and get's whacked with another afterwards' Grats your adc is freekill cuz u used 2 important cc's if not more on one target.

Tychusfindlay919Sep 25, 20161 votes

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'Parries one cc ability and get's whacked with another afterwards' Grats your adc is freekill cuz u used 2 important cc's if not more on one target.

Grats you picked a top laner who is worthless in teamfights, turning fights into 5v4s for the cost of two cc abilities at most.

PennsSep 25, 20163 votes

She is called cancer for a reason lul

RobronoSep 25, 20161 votes

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She is called cancer for a reason lul

Mostly because people like to bitch when they get outplayed.

PennsSep 25, 20163 votes

No because she is mobile as fuck, can block anything with w + stun you + even slow your attack speed, she has %hp true dmg + her heal is annoying.

RobronoSep 25, 20163 votes

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No because she is mobile as fuck, can block anything with w + stun you + even slow your attack speed, she has %hp true dmg + her heal is annoying.

Yeah, good Fiora's will probably fuck you up, but her mobility is tied to combat, so if she misses, she loses a ton of power, especially early when the cd is really long. With her w, it's at around a 20 second cd at level 1, only lasts for .75 seconds, and has to be very well timed for good effect. Het true damage and minor healing are gated by positioning, if you position well, it will be difficult for Fiora to get her true damage in without being heavily punished. Also, her heal also has a barrier to entry, you need to either kill someone, or dance around them like a lap dancer and hit all the vitals. Unless you're talking about the very small amount of health you get from procing your passive, if so its gate is the same as a the true damage.

PennsSep 25, 20161 votes

Well Im saying she is annoying/"cancer" to play against, not op. Fizz is still one of the most hated champs as well, just like Yasuo and Zed. But none of them are op other than maybe Yasuo building Frozen Mallet.

RobronoSep 25, 20161 votes

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Well Im saying she is annoying/"cancer" to play against, not op. Fizz is still one of the most hated champs as well, just like Yasuo and Zed. But none of them are op other than maybe Yasuo building Frozen Mallet.

True, she can be a bitch to fight against if she knows what she's doing.

GULAG 4 USep 25, 20161 votes

Yeah that % true damage that only does shit in a 1v1 and that deals no damage until she ults or 60 minutes into the game...

HaloDragonXSep 25, 20161 votes

Yeah man, out played by massive % HP damage even though I managed to land all my skills on her.

RobronoSep 25, 20161 votes

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Yeah man, out played by massive % HP damage even though I managed to land all my skills on her.

2%=MASSIVE. Seems legit.

AstôlfoSep 25, 20168 votes

So like.

Let's ignore the fact that her Q's CD is only low if it hits an enemy target. Let's also ignore the fact she gets no meaningful heal just from her regular passive. Let's also ignore the fact that her tank Fiora build has been long-dead meaning she can't just tank turrets over and over. Let's also ignore the fact Master Yi's ultimate prevents slows and gives him bonus AS/MS while Fiora has... what that's like that...? Let's also ignore the fact one of the two slows only happens if she lands said W skillshot which has a 0.75 second window for her to time it. Let's also ignore the fact losing in lane magically prevents you from ever getting items and catching up again. Let's also ignore the fact you still decided to 1v1 one of the best duelists in this entire game.

Yes, she is extremely high skill-cap. Problem? Try playing her against any actual good player.

HaloDragonXSep 25, 20161 votes

Sir, Fiora has a few problems.

Better early game than Jax. Thanks to free healing off her passive she's actually very strong early too, even outscaling Jax by level 5 now.
Better late game than Jax. Well she has a good early game, practically free thanks to passive healing, but she also has a good late game.
Percent HP true damage. Ok this is the stupid stuff. AT LEAST VAYNE NEEDS 3 ATTACKS. Fiora's ult is already 70% MAX % HP TRUE DAMAGE. HOW DO YOU COUNTER THAT ITEMIZE AGAINST IT? It should at least be magic damage.

AstôlfoSep 25, 20163 votes

Her passive in early game is fucking worthless. The MS is the best part of it, and even then, it's meaningless. The Vital-proc damage + heal is so low that just the minion aggro + sustain from health regen or Doran's Blade's lifesteal will remove it.

Yes, she's a lot harder to play and more complex than Jax who just jumps on the first squishy target and autos them to death. A bad Jax > a bad Fiora. A good Jax > a bad Fiora. Okayish Jax > Okayish Fiora most of the time. Good Fiora > bad Jax. Good Fiora > Good Jax. That's how it works with any other easy vs difficult champion. The former has a lower skill ceiling because they don't have any more they can reach for after a certain point.

??? It's not 70%. And Vayne just needs to point-and-click auto repeatedly with her attack-speed/crit autos. (I'm not saying Vayne is easy, she's one of the hardest champions in the game. Just pointing out the difference.) Fiora needs to leap around and hit all 4 Vitals. She's one of the best 1v1 duelists in the game. You really shouldn't be 1v1ing her. She struggles against a team, and if she tried to ult someone in a team, she'd just be CC'd and killed almost every time even with her parry. AP champions have Zhonya's. All champions have Guardian Angel. It shouldn't be magic damage. The whole point is she can duel any target equally well.

GULAG 4 USep 25, 20162 votes

It's 46%

RobronoSep 25, 20161 votes

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Sir, Fiora has a few problems.

Better early game than Jax. Thanks to free healing off her passive she's actually very strong early too, even outscaling Jax by level 5 now.

A lot of champions have better early games then jax, her free healing is very negligible, and her kit is about 1v1s, of course she's strong early. She does not out scale Jax, sure she has a good late game, but it is not comparable to Jax's late game.

Better late game than Jax. Well she has a good early game, practically free thanks to passive healing, but she also has a good late game.

Late game is good, but if you are Jax and lose a 1v1 to Fiora late game, you're either Wood V, or the Fiora is fucking Dyrus, and the early healing is absolute shit, like mundo passive levels of worthless early.

Percent HP true damage. Ok this is the stupid stuff. AT LEAST VAYNE NEEDS 3 ATTACKS. Fiora's ult is already 70% MAX % HP TRUE DAMAGE. HOW DO YOU COUNTER THAT ITEMIZE AGAINST IT? It should at least be magic damage.

Bullshit statistics, her ult does not do nearly that much true damage, she needs to be close to do her true damage, and without her ult she needs to be on a specific side of the enemy, vayne can be anywhere. I'm sorry dude, but you really sound like a salty salami.

AstôlfoSep 25, 20162 votes

You might want to re-format that post. The code formatting makes it look really clunky/weird.

RobronoSep 25, 20161 votes

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You might want to re-format that post. The code formatting makes it look really clunky/weird.

Probably, I'm not used to this kind of post lol

WarpesSep 25, 20164 votes

I said the same thing a month after her release... was playing malphite and completely shit on her in lane. was 6-0 to her 0-6. I had thornmail and something like 450 armor (because malphite).

So she ults and does over 3k TRUE FUCKING DAMAGE to me in the recap, completely rapes my entire face off 1v1 in about 6 seconds. Never seen anything like it in my life.

Balanced.

{quoted} #HighSkillCap my ass.

Anyone who thinks she does is completely fucking retarded or lying to themselves to make themselves feel better about playing such a shit-toxic champ.

Weiner the PoohSep 25, 20165 votes

Ah yes. Because Malphite is truly a difficult champ. Oh and winning by building only defense and still one shorting every adc, balanced as hell.

OurLestradeSep 25, 20164 votes

The amount of times I've had to flash away from shut down Fioras is a tad bit depressing. Especially since it usually didn't help much :P

MarshbouySep 25, 20164 votes

Ok.

VeraskaSep 25, 20164 votes

at least she's building damage items now, not going like half tank and also being a team fighting monster

JustMonika13Sep 25, 20163 votes

People just like bitching about the Skirmishers. Yasuo Fiora and co.

GULAG 4 USep 25, 20162 votes

At least they don't bitch about my homie yisus

JustMonika13Sep 25, 20161 votes

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At least they don't bitch about my homie yisus

I mean, anti-Yi threads do show up, they're just rarer nowadays.

GULAG 4 USep 25, 20161 votes

Feels good man cause I main Yi :^}

RequiemsfireSep 25, 20162 votes

This is just another example of Riot's previous design in which they create a champion with all sorts of counterplay tools with no defined weaknesses in terms of counterplay in itself.

Imperial JapanSep 25, 20164 votes

Morganna and varus have two huge aoe snares but isn't amazing in team fight because you can just run from it. Sort of like how you can kill a tunnel vision doors easily

RequiemsfireSep 25, 20162 votes

In what way does that contribute to, agree with or disagree with my statement?

Also Morgana's snare is fantastic in team fights when used correctly because running away isn't always an option at times.

Varus's snare isn't an AOE but it does spread from person to person from the first target hit onwards which is why it's such an effective snare in team fights, it's also relatively hard to dodge because the projectile is fairly fast.

Imperial JapanSep 25, 20161 votes

Anyways, you can burst Fiora down just like how you can easily run away from other people with massive aoe team fight abilities

R7 FactorSep 25, 20161 votes

pick Tryndamere

LovelleSep 25, 20161 votes

I've said this since her rework and have since switched to champions with ranged abilities because of it.

LovelleSep 25, 2016

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I've said this since her rework and have since switched to champions with ranged abilities because of it.

Used to use Trundle and Mundo.

AlutrositySep 25, 20161 votes

With Fiora, you must fight fire with fire, even if it means going outside of your preferred build path. The best counter to Fiora in my opinion is Wukong, because you can use your clone to juke around her parry, get your Q in E+R for maximum damage. The full build path would largely include: ninja tabi, death's dance for sustain and damage reduction against her, ravenous hydra for flat-out dueling and extra sustain, black cleaver because Wukong benefits from it no matter who he's facing, mortal reminder to bring down all that bullshit healing which will also effect everybody else if you land a solid ultimate during teamfights, and youmuu's ghost blade for the rapidfire trading with your E's AS boost.

I don't normally advocate full damage Wukong and typically include at least one tank item as that's all he needs if he has a team with good follow-up, because let's face it, Wukong may teamfight the same way a tank would by unleashing high dps in prolonged fights, but he kills people the same way an assassin would by bursting them down.