Alright tell me, how the fuck do you play against renekton without picking panth?

car4··4 votes·6,223 views

Tell me, his kit is just ridiculous. Auto attack enhancing w that stuns, applies on hit affects, an armor shred 2 dashes e ability, a Q that heals him for a shit ton once it's empowered, and an ultimate that instantly grants him 300 HP level one, making any form of all in fucking impossible. His base cooldowns on all of his fucking abilities are beyond me. Seriously, someone tell me how to play against it. I can't even go top lane without playing against him, and if I ban him, then it's fucking pantheon spamming the Q button on me.

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gabetheguy4 votes

you don't. his entire purpose is to be a lane bully.

car43 votes

So he's a lane bully and a team fighting god. Makes sense.

Automated Riven4 votes

he isnt a teamfighting god. He has lack luster damage in teamfights and limmited cc. he gets kited easilly and is forced to itemize tanky to survive.

car44 votes

Dumbest comment i've seen all day.

Automated Riven2 votes

explain to me how he is a teamfight god then.

UnboundHades1 votes

well if he gets a huge lead which is rare he can be hard to kill while killing everyone but thats basically every fed champ

Automated Riven2 votes

That's not being a team fights god. That's being fed as fuck.

gabetheguy1 votes

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So he's a lane bully and a team fighting god. Makes sense.

he's not a teamfighting god unless he's fed. and once the game hits the 30 minute mark he turns into a pile of shit. worse than yorick.

420 grams2 votes

Who are you playing? League isn't a game where you can just say "press a to jump when he dashes, walk into the bushes 3 times, then attack him at 90 degree angle facing west and you win". You have to play the champion you picked to beat him.

car41 votes

Riven, Irelia, Darius. All champions that are supposed to do well against him.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

hmm well not true

darius vs ren is a coin toss /skill match up

riven has a hard lane vs him

and irelia well LOL

car42 votes

So who stomps him then.

Automated Riven2 votes

quinn teemo jayce would all do well against him providing that you position well and dont allow him to engage on you.

SymbolicFear1 votes

Jayce doesn't do well against Renekton at all. Same with Irelia, i dont understand where that came to be said. Renekton stomps irelia and forces her to sacrifice her farm to stay alive under tower till renekton gets the ability to dive.

Automated Riven1 votes

I agree that irelia doesnt do well. Jayce should in theory because he can bully ren out of lane and knockback if he tries to engage. I havent actually played the matchup so if I am wrong I stand corrected.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

jayce vs ren is a skill match up

ren can use E W E to close gaps and all in on him, yes jayce can switch to hammer form and disengage but hard to do when you are stunned and take a shit ton of damage in a combo

Automated Riven1 votes

ya I assumed. Thus my previous post about positioning well.

SymbolicFear1 votes

In a matchup of evenly skilled players, Renekton will win every time honestly. With that in mind, its why i say that Jayce loses.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

1st you have to understand when to trade vs him...

you dont trade with him if his W is up or if he has 50% or more fury built...

garen can beat him, partly due to garens natural tankyness and regen hp... he has an execute on ult and silence on Q you have to time your Q right to stop his combo and then shred him with E and rinse and repeat but a skill lane... ren will be super aggressive and its a timing of ulting , garen can kill him with his ult but ren can ult to save his life vs garen...

i can beat him playing maokai but you play defensive as maokai... take armor and hp runes and cdr you sustain lvls 1-3 ish where he is gonna try to get an advantage and kill you early... ren typically falls of outside of lane unless super ahead

if you want to look at http://lolalytics.com/champion/Renekton/

you can see champs that he is strong vs and bad vs with the win % of the match ups to have more ideas

teemo typically counters most juggernauts in lane but its teemo what good are u outside of lane ? quinn /panth are both strong vs him (you are aware of panth) gnar is good vs him (kinda a different version of renekton if you ask me) has range and hop to get away mini form , tankyness to fight in mega form

Colgate Gator1 votes

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Riven, Irelia, Darius. All champions that are supposed to do well against him.

As an Irelia main, I disagree greatly with this statement. At best, she survives his early lane and then outscales, but one mistake and you're dead agaisnt the croco.

AlienPrimate2 votes

What is hilarious is Alistar vs Renekton. Every time he dashes onto you, you just headbutt him back and go back to farming.

Beas7ie1 votes

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What is hilarious is Alistar vs Renekton. Every time he dashes onto you, you just headbutt him back and go back to farming.

Cow vs Croc

I'm going to do this everytime I go top against Ren

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

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MORDEKIASER ES NUMERO UNO

Kloqdq1 votes

His base cooldowns on all of his fucking abilities are beyond me.

Uhhhhhh Renekton has some of the longest base cooldowns of most top laners.

Shuyin1781 votes

As a Renekton main, I will talk to you about my favorite reptile on the Rift going from point to point on your topic. But 1st, lets talk his passive. Renekton is one of those champions that suffers when zoned. If he can't hit things, he can't stack his passive, if he can't stack his passive then he can't fight you. Now onto the rest of your points.

Auto attack enhancing w that stuns, applies on hit affects

Don't forget that it's also an auto-attack reset. During the stun animation though, unless you have a Tiamat variant, Renekton is locked into the animation, reducing your stun duration in 1v1s by the duration of his self-lock. The on-hit effects part doesn't matter in most cases unless he's doing the on-hit Renekton build or has a Tiamat variant (which will proct each Tiamat hit on-W slashes).

an armor shred 2 dashes e ability

The armor shred only occurs on the 2nd Dash if it is empowered by your passive, which he needs to hit the 1st to even use the 2nd. Good Renekton players don't even bother with trying to use the armor shred because the damage/healing from Q and the extra stun duration on W are far more valuable, making the armor shred a non-issues unless you're vs a noob Renekton or he has to proc it for the gap close.

a Q that heals him for a shit ton once it's empowered

Renekton's Q is a double-edged sword. Yes you can heal up all the damage you get delt, but you're also pushing the wave when you use it which is not what you want to do as Renekton. As Renekton you want to freeze the wave to keep your opponent zoned as long as possible so you get ahead easier while also stacking your passive off the minion wave (like I said before, if Renekton can't stack he can't do anything). To counter this, if a Renekton walks at you with the intent to tag you or push you away, walk into your minions. They won't aggro onto him because it's an AOE ability, but it will force him to push the wave to your tower where you can setup a freeze which denies him both minions and the ability to stack his passive. If he sticks around near your tower he becomes an easy gank.

and an ultimate that instantly grants him 300 HP level one

1st off it's 250-500-750 to correct you on the values. The health isn't even the problem when fighting an ulted Renekton though, it's that he generates his passive over time. You will see some Renektons sit in a bush and just pop their ultimate, staying there for a few seconds to generate enough fury for an empowered ability before even going in (which is a smart tactic to bait the enemy laner into thinking they're safe). Renekton can and will only dive you if you are low enough on HP. In most cases, it might be best to just leave lane if he has his ult available so he doesn't get a kill onto you.

To beat Renekton in lane, you need to not use a fighter champion. You need a hard CC champion, a champion with high mobility, or a champion with good poke that has a little mobility. Here are a list of champions I believe Renekton has problems with : Chogath Gnar Illaoi JarvanIV Jax Jayce Kayle (Kayle at level 6) Pantheon Quinn Rumble TahmKench Trundle I picked these champions through experience of many matches with and against my lizard buddy. If you want, I can go into detail as to why each champion I listed is a problem for Renekton.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Have you ever played against an elise in top lane? I think it's the cleanest counter there is to renekton.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

I can confirm that Trundle gives Renekton major problems. Pretty good list there.

Beas7ie1 votes

Why would you pick Panth against him. He builds a bit tanky, Panth's Q's just plink off him and drain mana?

To play against him, just play smart. Champs like him and Darius are bullies. You can't just take them head on. You have to literally think of them as raid bosses. Try and poke them down. Wait for an opening such as when they blow all their CD's then go in for the kill.

Other than that just play passively and farm under tower. You don't feed him and he'll fall off a bit later on.

Shuyin1781 votes

2 reasons why you pick Pantheon.

  1. His W is a strong stun, if you use it at the correct time you completely disrupt Renekton's pattern.
  2. His passive. Panth's passive blocks Renekton's W, the damage and the stun. So Renekton can't use his normal combo if your passive is up, which Pantheon can re-acquire with his own W.
Beas7ie1 votes

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2 reasons why you pick Pantheon.

  1. His W is a strong stun, if you use it at the correct time you completely disrupt Renekton's pattern.
  2. His passive. Panth's passive blocks Renekton's W, the damage and the stun. So Renekton can't use his normal combo if your passive is up, which Pantheon can re-acquire with his own W.

But Panth has one big weakness vs Renekton.

Panth is kind of a mana pig while Renekton doesn't even use it. Renekton gets a bit of tankiness and Panth's harass won't do much and Panth can't all in Renekton either

There's a good game with SoloRenektonOnly vs Panth and he just started with a Doran's shield and Panth's Qs were pretty much just wasted mana.

I can see how Panth MIGHT come ahead and apparently the stats say he usually does, but as someone who plays both Ren and Panth, I would think that Ren would have the advantage in this matchup.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

PICK ELISE TOP. I swear to you, you will be satisfied. I'm serious it's a really hard counter that's been in the game for so long but nobody ever uses elise top.

Shuyin1781 votes

Actually Elise top vs Renekton is not a very smart idea. After you use your abilities, you're lizard food. Renekton also heals off of each individual thing he hits with his Qs, making Elise's spiderlings free HP. He can also use the spiderlings to proct his E for the 2nd dash allowing him to catch up to Elise if she tries to run.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

All you need to do is spam your poke on renekton at level one and zone him from there. If he jump in to fight you, after he q's you can change to spider form and kill him. Renekton's pattern is to go in and use all his abilities at once and get out. Elise negates that by poking him constantly and denying his exit. Also elise has more abilities than renekton.

Shuyin1781 votes

That's the difference between a smart Renekton and desperate one. It's fine to lose minions and to get poked early, the key is how you play the matchup during the poke. As Renekton you want to let the poker push to your tower were you slowly farm the minions that reach it, building your fury. You'll scale slower, but the longer you keep the enemy poker by your tower the easier it will be to kill them. It's all about timing, same as when you fight a mana-less matchup like Riven.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Well he's asking for champs that do well into renekton and elise is one of the best options. I guess renekton could fight back if he's smart but then wouldn't a smart elise just stun him and walk away? Or use the gold lead she now has to outright beat renekton?

Solorenektononly said elise is the best renekton counter. So I mean unless you've tried it then I'll hold onto my pov.

Shuyin1781 votes

I understand how Elise can be good vs him, but at the same time who in their right mind would Elise top lane? There is a reason she never lanes friend.

Galiö1 votes

Swain can probably lane against him pretty easy

Shuyin1781 votes

Depends on how much room you give him. If you bully him pre-6 enough then you can get enough Magic Resist to make him worthless.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

swain has mana issues early... and if you miss you W ren can freely engage and all in you

Galiö1 votes

Mana issues?!? His passive is like 2 free Doran rings... lvl 1. Buy a Doran ring and you get 12 mana back very time you kill a minion... which is super easy with swain. And his costs aren't high compared to other mages.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

then if he didnt have mana cost ( even with his passive) then why is it mana sustain items core on him?

item 3010 ?

Galiö1 votes

It's not exactly for the mana (which is always nice) but it adds a lot of healing from your ult... which already provides a lot of healing.

This is why swain had a 53.5%+ Winrate platinum plus for almost a year now. Even after those ult nerfs. He is very strong, especially against melee bullies.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

im aware he is strong... i just dont think he matches well vs that lane... due to alot of issues...

hell i played him mid vs fizz a game the other day and wrecked him going 16-5-12

but i dont see swain being a great counter to renekton due to renektons design and kit

Galiö1 votes

Well champion.gg has renekton in the top ten of champions he beats. I have never lost to renekton as swain. And I don't see what renekton can do to not be beaten by swain.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

http://current.lolalytics.com/champion/Renekton/counters/

has swain 15th in terms of win rate as a counter to reneketon behind champs such as Teemo Kayle Mordekaiser Pantheon Quinn Chogath Maokai Singed Gnar Heimerdinger Tryndamere Gangplank Garen Jayce

then swain

Galiö1 votes

Swain and morde have the same principals.. and swain is a better team fighter. Also swain generally has a higher Winrate between all this champs sans Quinn and Cho as of this patch.

Only people of rather use against renekton out of those are Gnar and Jayce tbh

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

can you play swain into ren and do ok? yes

is it the best option? nope

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Trundle wrecks Renekton. Also never had any problems vs Renekton as Sion.

Jorencice1 votes

The answer is always karthus.

Can easily farm and poke him and get kills with R without ever leaving your own turret.

BlueBilberry1 votes

There's quite a few champs that Renekton has troubles with - Karthus, Kennen, Kayle, Swain, Nasus, Talon, Garen, Yorick, Ekko, etc. Alternatively, you can play a tank and just wait Renekton out til the late game when he drops off. (Note: the list of champions effective against Renekton tend to vary a bit by tier.)

Also, I'd recommend watching some Solo Renekton Youtube videos when SR plays champions against his Renekton main. He literally tells you which windows or openings you have.

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