Would be nice to rework MF ult and passive to scale better with crit than lethality

Hexs Fortune·Mar 15, 2017·23 votes·1,904 views

I prefer crit MF to lethality. The empowered auto attacks make her gameplay feel like it centers around more than just her ult

Unfortunately she has some issues with crit that should be resolved.

Her base and scaling AD are the lowest in her class by far, so her autos scale worse with crit than any other carry

Her passive (which makes up for the weak ad base /scaling stats) has no interaction with crit

Her ult has a very weak crit ratio. -80 percent penalty on crits.

I'd like Riot to rework the ult and passive to benefit more from crit as opposed to how it is now, vastly favoring lethality

26 Comments

RalanrMar 15, 201711 votes

The fact that her ult even has a crit ratio is amazing.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 15, 20171 votes

Only for a 20% damage increase though. With black cleaver and lethality it did more damage. Does infinity edge work with her ult though? If it did then that'd be awesome.

RalanrMar 15, 20171 votes

I think it does.

Honestly what amazes me is that her ult has a crit ratio but it's actively ignored.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 15, 20171 votes

Yea I prefer crit MF. But only because essence reaver returns mana on crits, honestly. I'm happy with Lethality nerfs in that sense

fuffychanMar 15, 20175 votes

And they wonder why we buy lethality items...

Anu3isIIMar 15, 20175 votes

Maybe make her Passive scale similarly to Ashe's Passive? For every X% of Crit Chance, the Base Damage and the AD Ratio increase by Y%. With some small number balances, she will be a little weaker in the Early Game. If she goes Crit Build, she may get more than damage than before in the Late Game, while Lethality Build will have a lot less Damage, so more room for buffs to Crit Fortune.

And about her Ultimate, maybe decrease the Per Level bonus Base Damage and buff her Wave Crit Damage.

Touch My BoxMar 15, 20174 votes

"Lets make her doubleup work better with crit, that will stop people from stacking lethal/ArmPen and make her more like an ADC"

-Deskjockey who hasn't logged in for three seasons, 2017

They don't realize no one picks MF for her double up, and Double up is a lane ability, by the time she gets enough crit to make it worthwhile, it'll be teamfight stage.

NarasimhaMar 15, 20174 votes

..What? Double up is by no means bad in teamfights. Hell, the entire point of it is that you can aim the first shot at their frontline, and it'll bounce to their back line.

SpongebobIsLifeMar 15, 20171 votes

there's no point to it though if you go the attack speed crit route though, as you auto faster than the double up animation. Meaning, if you use double up, you're actually wasting an auto, not to mention it won't crit.

NarasimhaMar 15, 20173 votes

You can only AA one person. Double up lets you hit two. And assuming my memory serves me correctly, Double Up can crit no matter what, it's only guaranteed if the first bullet kills.

SpongebobIsLifeMar 15, 20171 votes

what i mean is, in the time that you cast double up, you could have already aa'd 1.5 times or more. And as of now, they made it so that the second double up can crit but the initial double up does not crit.

KynamiMar 15, 20171 votes

I can't tell you how many kills I've snagged by popping a Q onto the closest target behind the guy who is attempting to run. Particularly satisfying to bag an Ezreal who was trying to shift to safety from a team fight gone sour.

Its not something you'd look to use while actively DPSing, but even in late game you most certainly can use it.

WoonStruckMar 15, 20174 votes

it would be nice if her ult weren't overtuned with its bases and overloaded with its scaling.

Relia FortuneMar 15, 20172 votes

As a otp Miss Fortune I agree with some changes to her passive. That double up nerf kind of made laning hard. Plus double up got hurt in team fights cause you don't get the bonus damage off second bounce anymore since it got nerfed to match the first double up. Yes it can crit but the damage isn't there. You benefit from switching targets to proc passive but how does that help focus one particular person? Her passive is something I'd like to see changed.

BisaknospMar 15, 20172 votes

i build her like that item 3142 item 3031 item 3508 item 3036 / item 3033 item 3006 and the 6th item is something like item 3814 item 3139 item 3072

wishbone25Mar 15, 20171 votes

prepair for bot lane to be camped your whole life as an adc

The Yetii RiderMar 15, 20171 votes

MIss Fortune's ultimate can't crit anymore than it already does. Crits are incredibly high damage, the reason they are balanced is that they are generally applied from short range (that's one reason Jhin is so strong, because of his ultimate critting).

Nothing wrong with lethality on MF. Lethality just makes her crap at killing tanks, so she's holding her team back by taking it against anyone who knows how to play against lethality.

GrReaper96Mar 16, 20171 votes

Reduce MF ulti base damage, increase crit damage. Bam

The Yetii RiderMar 16, 20171 votes

So she does less damage on average until she has 100% crit chance? The SUUUUPER late game? It's only a chance per wave.

GrReaper96Mar 16, 20171 votes

Or perhaps keep the base but reduce the AD scaling and make it scale directly with % crit chance (like jhin or cait aa)

The Yetii RiderMar 16, 20171 votes

Because Jhin's crit scaling is so beneficial in reducing the amount of lethality he builds.

UnvictusMar 16, 20171 votes

Allowing her passive to interact with crit would be great! MF has always been one of my favorite adc's and the fact that she's become an ult bot disappoints me. I tried crit MF when the current patch went live since they changed her Q, but sadly it still felt lack luster compared to lethality.

GrReaper96Mar 16, 20171 votes

Id prefer they increase her base AD but lower her passive damage. That would overall increase the power of crit MF

UnvictusMar 16, 20171 votes

Yea I'd be fine with that too, her base AD is just pitiful

XonraMar 16, 20171 votes

I personally think it makes sense that MFs ult should be a "shred through armor" ability, over crit based. That would be terribly broken if her ult was crit'ing on every bullet similar to auto attacks. She would be able to straight up 1v5 if a team was half grouped up, without her team even needing to do damage.

Yes I know it is already rough, but you wouldn't even need a full channel to destroy people out right.

Otherwise, yeah I agree.

Mighty MorteinMar 16, 20171 votes

I don't mind building item 3071 on her, because her ult shreds enemies for your entire teams' physical damage. Korean MF will always have a place in my heart. That was so fun to play.