In defense of Conqueror

feintfiend·Dec 26, 2018·6 votes·1,504 views

Prior to the addition of conqueror tanks were outdueling bruisers early to mid because of their absurd base damage and became unkillable lategame. Unless you were playing one of the few bruisers that could deal with tanks like Darius you were screwed. If this rune gets straight up removed instead of being reworked to still counter tanks or giving bruisers anti tank itemization it would HARM the state of top lane. Bruiser versus bruiser matchups are much more fun and engaging than playing against an opponent that becomes more and more unkillable. Most of the people who bitch about the state of top lane don't even play this role. This rune doesn't impact teamfights all that much since everyone gets bursted before it can proc. People are ascribing a lot of cancer onto this rune because of the cancerous champions like Irelia and Jax that use it.

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HotarµDec 26, 20186 votes

Bruiser versus bruiser matchups are much more fun and engaging than playing against an opponent that becomes more and more unkillable.

Bruiser versus Bruiser matchups might be more fun for you, but for tank mains, top lane has become hell most of the time. I used to love playing Shen, Ornn, and Malphite in top lane but lately I can't bring myself to do it because I know I'll get a Fiora, Jax, Camille, Yasuo, or Irelia running conqueror and destroying me at every point of the game.

IMO: Conqueror does have a place in League, but in it's current state it's just too good when compared to other keystones. Why would you ever take Press the Attack or Hail of Blades for trading when Conqueror gives resetting attack damage in addition to true damage on every autoattack? There are only a handful of champions who don't take Conqueror when going toplane.

agac4234Dec 26, 20181 votes

u can still play all of those champions u know that right? u just dont build full tank on malp and u play like a support on shen. there play styles have changed

HotarµDec 26, 20182 votes

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u can still play all of those champions u know that right? u just dont build full tank on malp and u play like a support on shen. there play styles have changed

Yes, I know I can still play them. The point of a tank in top lane is to build tank and help in teamfights, it's hard to do that when you get crushed in lane 99% of the time. I've also swapped to playing Shen support, but that's not the point of my response.

Irelia BotDec 26, 20182 votes

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Yes, I know I can still play them. The point of a tank in top lane is to build tank and help in teamfights, it's hard to do that when you get crushed in lane 99% of the time. I've also swapped to playing Shen support, but that's not the point of my response.

Tank damage should have been nerfed instead.

RagnaveilDec 26, 20181 votes

Why they were given % max health damage is beyond me, why else would they not be considered superior to bruisers for such a long time. Tanks wont do damage to tanks, that much is known. We are not in a tank meta anymore, so whats the point of having some of these tanks have easy access to damage like that?

Gangstarr666Dec 26, 20182 votes

Maybe a new tank item(or new elixir) should be created whose main purpose is to reduce true damage by a percentage?

rayzoDec 26, 20181 votes

Just nerf the rune to 15-12% or so true damage conversion IMO that would fix a bunch of the matchups.

RagnaveilDec 26, 20181 votes

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Prior to the addition of conqueror tanks were outdueling bruisers early to mid because of their absurd base damage and became unkillable lategame. Unless you were playing one of the few bruisers that could deal with tanks like Darius you were screwed.

True, yet the rune was never considered till bruisers bitched enough.

If this rune gets straight up removed instead of being reworked to still counter tanks or giving bruisers anti tank itemization it would HARM the state of top lane. Bruiser versus bruiser matchups are much more fun and engaging than playing against an opponent that becomes more and more unkillable.

Bruisers wanted a dueling rune, not a tank killer and anti defensive stat rune. Why? Because it will either weaken some bruisers who cant use it, and make the ones who do use it very strong (Take Irelia, Jax, and Darius (although he's a juggernaut) for example).

Most of the people who bitch about the state of top lane don't even play this role.

In all fairness, its both toplaners and midlane mages that bitch the most (including myself, who was against the idea of true damage conversion for the sake of being able to balance bruisers and fighters without having this rune making it impossible) ADCs bitch, but not the extent that top and midlane mages have for seasons.

This rune doesn't impact teamfights all that much since everyone gets bursted before it can proc. People are ascribing a lot of cancer onto this rune because of the cancerous champions like Irelia and Jax that use it.

Uh, the rune can be stacked by simply hitting minions or anything, once you hit a champ it procs. So saying it doesn't impact teamfights is a understatement. Its cancer not just because it makes the two listed champions (and many others) very frustrating to play against, its because there's no way in itemizing against them when one of the core ways to protect yourself from champs like them is getting defensive items. It kills that counterplay. "Irelia and Jax have reoccuring magic damage on their autos, just buy helm" Buying it or not means nothing when that rune just lets them do about the same amount of damage they did before I had it, not to mention this does nothing to their physical damage, which would take helm of the conversion.

Remove the true damage, and find something else to add on it to make it healthier. This current form of Conqueror is a balancing nightmare. No wonder when Irelia can get hit with several damage nerfs in a row and still stay alive.