@Meddler, can we give Bruisers more incentive to invest…

Malicious Metal · 2016-10-19T09:42:54.042Z

So with the new PBE update most Resolve Keystones are fitted for support-type champions You get Courage of the Colossus who only triggers on HARD CC You get Bond of Stone, which is a support-only mastery and you get Grasp, which, let's be honest, isn't that great anymore, especially on certain champions who have very low max hp despite being bruisery-types ( ) our champions who don't tend to AA that often like With SotA you actually had a way to get some more mid-late game scaling with a way to beef up your champion and be able to maybe invest in some damage items early but with it getting scrapped you're pretty much screwed if you're a Juggernaut/Bruiser/Diver and want to invest into the Resolve tree. Why do we even have to have a mastery catering entirely to the tanky supports? It's way too specific to fill up an entire KEYSTONE slot on a TANKY tree. As a support you even have the choice to go TLD/Windspeakers/Grasp/Courage but many Bruisers would want to get the slow resist, healing, tenacity and actually a decent keystone out of the Resolve tree. So why exactly are we making the resolve tree even more specific rather than giving the more damage focused kind of melee characters some mastery? You have your sustain in grasp Your utility/durability with courage So how about we get something that benefits champions that duke it out in the midst of battle?

AhristocatsOct 19, 20165 votes

Singed if you play him without DFT, you're doing it wrong.

SpoofghoulOct 19, 20161 votes

or stormraiders + item 3075

makes for a very very slippery singed

Nurgle ProphetOct 19, 20161 votes

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What the hell makes you think that Courage of the Colossus is for tanky supports? Literally every tank with hard CC is going to use this mastery. .

I assume he's talking about Bond of Stone

The Yetii RiderOct 19, 20161 votes

Udyr and Volibear have to reach their target before they can use it.

Also, you're forgetting the tanky champions that don't have hard cc: Nunu DrMundo Garen Mordekaiser Nasus Olaf Yorick

DunkinNoobsOct 20, 20162 votes

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Udyr and Volibear have to reach their target before they can use it.

Also, you're forgetting the tanky champions that don't have hard cc:

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Literally every tank **with hard CC **is going to use this mastery.

The Yetii RiderOct 20, 20161 votes

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K, so then what are those champions I listed supposed to take? Which keystone?

If you play top, Garen Nasus and Yorick can probably take Grasp.

But if you're playing jungle? Nunu doesn't care about how much damage you do. Mundo would rather have more health than damage. Olaf wouldn't use Grasp very well at all.

DunkinNoobsOct 20, 20161 votes

Mundo, Garen, and Yorick use grasp, as you said. Nunu will use Bond of Stone since he's the quintessential support jungler. Olaf will use fervor just like he does in top lane. And Nasus can choose between Grasp, Stormraiders, or Warlords.

Fawkes04Oct 20, 20161 votes

So if you play Mundo jungle - which is not really uncommon - you have to decide between using a Keystone, that's suboptimal for Mundo himself, or take a Keystone that does not help you any way in the jungle at all? Oh, and notto forget, you have to chase an enemy for 4 seconds when ganking...

DunkinNoobsOct 20, 20161 votes

To be fair, now none of the keystones help you in the jungle except for Bond of Stone and the healing one.

Fawkes04Oct 20, 20161 votes

SotA at least had ANY real interaction with the Jungle, unlike the others. Fervor does not work on Camps, DFT not, Warlords does not trigger on camps. TLD does not work, same for Stormraiders and to be honest, there are no real Windspeaker-Junglers. Grasp does not proc on camps and nobody would EVER notice the difference between jungling with or without Bond of Stone in the Jungle. SotA at least gave you permanent Max HP after killing a single camp and also had a nice synergy with Cinderhulk.

The Yetii RiderOct 20, 20161 votes

But Nunu shouldn't HAVE to use Bomd of Stone. There's a big difference between tanking and supporting and Nunu is a tank.

If I'm carefully weaving before a fight or setting up my ult I don't need to be taking extra damage because my team mates can't dodge skill shots or because they get caught out. My primary goal isn't protecting my team, it's disrupting the enemy team, and I need all of my health for that.

Jungle Mundo should not use Grasp. Mundo already has a horrible first clear, he relies on Strength of Ages to give him more health regen for his later clears.

DunkinNoobsOct 20, 20161 votes

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Mundo already has a horrible first clear,

Credibility already out the window. Mundo has the fastest first clear in the game behind Nidalee. Unless, of course, you're doing it wrong.

EndlessSorcererOct 20, 20161 votes

It is a very fast clear but it can be risky since you get low.

Subsequent clears aren't really an issue, but you can be vulnerable to invades during your first one.

DunkinNoobsOct 20, 20161 votes

So can everyone, so I'm not sure what your point is. Hell, its speed is its own form of safety since you'll often finish a camp and be on to the next one before the enemy jungler even arrives. I've had many times where the enemy jungler invades my blue and I'm already done with blue and almost finished with wolves.

The Yetii RiderOct 20, 20161 votes

Guess I must be doing it wrong then. It's really easy for Mundo to get low early.

DunkinNoobsOct 20, 20161 votes

You still get low, but it doesn't matter because you clear so fast that it's impossible to invade you using conventional jungle paths. Start E, AS marks and Quints, W lvl 2, and E again at lvl 3. You can clear all 6 camps by 3:17 with this setup.

The Yetii RiderOct 20, 20161 votes

That's with SotA though. Can you do it with Grasp?

DunkinNoobsOct 20, 20161 votes

Absolutely.

The FreyordleOct 20, 20161 votes

Not sure about Gnar given that mini form wouldn't be able to use the mastery at all. At least ferver and grasp can be used by both forms.

TheSingularityOct 20, 20161 votes

I think it'd be a 25:75 split of new thing:grasp. While grasp his good early, gnar can make very very good use of this new mastery in mega form, which should be the only time he's in a situation to need it

TheSingularityOct 20, 20161 votes

Tbh unless they can stack cc on shit tonnes of people or spam their HARD cc, they won't use this mastery.

So plz, remove; j4 poppy, rek sai, shen, singed skarner, voli, ww and xin.

I say this because this spell thrives on champs who will hit multi cc spells like naut. If his ult hit 5 people INDIVIDUALLY (not all on one go or 2 at a time) he will proc it 5 times (either stacking or refreshing it i can't remember) and it'd then be at max strength with 5 enemies around him. Then! He can still apply his passive 5 times as well as his q

Those others are mostly kiteable and they'll generally only have time for a few procs in a team fight. Thus grasp, fervor or tld would be more efficient

Need Gold 4 TentOct 20, 20161 votes

Would J4 ult and Yorick (E?) count as hard CC?

TheSingularityOct 20, 20161 votes

Not really, as you can get out of them, or in yoricks case you can destroy it. While it does hinder their movement. Neither spell interupts channels and can be dashed/blinked out of. While all forms of hard cc can undeniably lock ppl down and interupt.

Need Gold 4 TentOct 20, 20161 votes

I actually run the resolve tree on some glass cannon champs (Trynd) specifically for the anti-cc mastery, and none of the keystones are actually suited for him. Perhaps the anti-cc mastery could be buffed (I'm sure a lot of other bruisers would love that too anyway), and made into a keystone?

@Meddler, can we give Bruisers more incentive to invest into the Resolve tree

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