Are passive supports garbage right now?

Both of those supports have a higher win rate than Thresh/Morgana... who btw are below 50% win rate. It's not the support.

Sorta what I figured. IMO, it has more to do with how the support is playing than what they are playing. Things like Janna, Soraka, and Nami are most definitely capable of playing forward in the lane and holding an aggressive stance. And the way bot lane plays out right now, I think more aggressive play on support is often the better way to go than more passive play.

But a lot also comes down to the support reading their carry and aligning with them. If the carry is content to sit back and farm, then holding a more defensive stance might be okay. But if the other team is playing tentatively, the support should probably step up a bit and try to apply more pressure (and see if they can get their carry to follow suit).

ok, so what supports are passive. Is it just Soraka? Then her win rate is still in there. Still above 50%.

EDIT: Even the few Sorakas I've faced recently are pretty aggressive to get that HoT on themselves from... their Starfall? I think

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Sona isn't passive... neither zilean... and certainly not janna

Janna isn't passive? excuse me

They are passive though. Passive supports prefer to poke/peel, where as active supports initiate a fight. I'll admit it's a strange thing to say, as active supports often play more passively between fights, but the point stands.

No, higher elo. Low elo champion win rates matter less because the player isn't as skilled at LoL and win rate could very much be attributed to your skill as a player as opposed to Champion balance.

What you define as passive supports are better in teamfights. If your team as a whole can work together then Janna soraka and zilean can carry through utility. I think the reason theyre not played as much in lower elos because aggressive ap or engaging tank supports feel like they make a difference. I main zyra now because I know that even if my adc is terrible I can 2v1 if I position right. Honestly supports can win/lose a game in the champ select. If you can grab someone who counters most the enemy team you will excel. Janna is a team fight god. If you build utility on her and can ult in a good position you can plit the enemy team. They all have their uses and weaknesses.

Who brought up win rates? Also, I'm not making you look bad, but the statement "I've had passive supports and lost terribly" implies the supports are the reason you're losing.