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I can't be the only one seeing the elephant in the room

Secretlolz··5 votes·850 views

The complaint of the month seems to be Fiora building tank, XinZhao doing too much damage while healing himself, Darius being a raid boss.

Alright, but they all can be controlled. Fiora can't kill as fast if she builds tank, Xin spends 25min being squishy as hell before he reaches some tanky items, and Darius is a big ball of stats, a very slow moving one.

But there is a champion who can build only Tank and do massive damage, heal himself SO hard he is imposible to zone out of lane (New Warlord's is helping him too much) and be a raid boss, and a faster one than Darius, because he has ranged CC. Does it sounds badly?

What if this champion also had the best lane sustain the whole game, enough to outlast Vladimir? Being imposible to push out of lane due to this. Still dont know?

What if this champion also had mixed damage, so It's imposible to itemize against him?... Nothing yet? He also has %Max HP damage on AOE, Arpen AOE debuff and a 99% slow.

Bells ringing?

It's Nasus, The thing has been enjoying a great sucess at all stages of the game, and if IRC, he was a mid to late game champion right?

Nasus recieved a lot of indirect buffs during the preseason. Being more lifesteal, Grasp of the Undying, positive changes for ALL his items item 3057 item 3025 item 3065 item 3078

Right now, unless you're building item 3123 as first item he can't be pushed out of lane, he will outlast you, and eventually outdamage you.The one thing making Nasus not a star pick was his weak early game. With the massive sustain that is gone. You have 2 options against Nasus:

  1. Trade against him trying to bully him out of lane. He will outdamage you the second he gets item 3057 and outsustain you harder than Vladimir all day long. You eventually lose farm and lane due to having to back.

  2. You don't trade against him. He proceeds to ignore you, farm for free and destroy the game at 15min.

I've seen nasus having so much SO MUCH sucess recently against all his counters. It's dumb. He's winning lanes, outsustaining and outdamaging everyone. I can't be the only one who has noticed. The thing is currently sitting at almost 52% win rate, in a meta where "early game" is winning and snowballing hard.

17 Comments

Lańce2 votes

Fiora Gangplank Quinn Malphite good thing top lane meta is this so he wont do much?

Revali2 votes

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Fiora Gangplank Quinn Malphite good thing top lane meta is this so he wont do much?

the only super annoyance there is fiora and Quinn, there's not really much gp and malphite can do once you finish a FH or visage depending on which your facing.

Brascus2 votes

Is this why Aatrox has a bug? Nasus hit me and deleted Aatrox from the match, to this day they say Aatrox is still being deleted.

xl Kirito lx1 votes

You're posting on a level 22 account.

ReadyxPlayerxOne2 votes

[{quoted}](name=xl Kirito lx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G8A3nfA4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-27T19:02:05.645+0000)

You're posting on a level 22 account.

And this matters... why?

Secretlolz2 votes

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And this matters... why?

Apparently low level accounts don't have an opinion. Damn, I should have checked! -.-"

Angry Monster1 votes

they do not have a informed opinion, or at least a record to trust their opinion.

The community does not even trust bronze level, why would you trust an account that can not even play rank?

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Angry Monster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G8A3nfA4,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-27T21:11:18.806+0000)

they do not have a informed opinion, or at least a record to trust their opinion.

The community does not even trust bronze level, why would you trust an account that can not even play rank?

Because they are people. Not records, or opinions, or ranks. They are a person, with an opinion. And NOTHING else negates that opinion except facts. That's how life works. You don't discount opinions and arguments because of a PERSON's ability, sports history or ranking... it's absurd, elitist scumbag bullshit.

Angry Monster1 votes

that is the worse reason i have ever heard to trust someone. Anyone that can communicate with you is a human, that does not mean that you listen to everything they say. Being human does not = right, correct, or worthy.

And NOTHING else negates that opinion except facts.

Actually you are wrong again here. Its called a informed opinion. Those that have things called expertise in the field have more weight than someone who is just a dabbler or a beginner. Hell their are various level of expertise.

But no one that has a sub 30 account will have enough experience to have a valid/informed opinion on the game. They just do not have enough time or thought about the game to do so. It takes hundreds of games to have a solid foundation to get into the meta games.

Again sub 30s should keep their mouth closed about balance.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

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that is the worse reason i have ever heard to trust someone. Anyone that can communicate with you is a human, that does not mean that you listen to everything they say. Being human does not = right, correct, or worthy.

Actually you are wrong again here. Its called a informed opinion. Those that have things called expertise in the field have more weight than someone who is just a dabbler or a beginner. Hell their are various level of expertise.

But no one that has a sub 30 account will have enough experience to have a valid/informed opinion on the game. They just do not have enough time or thought about the game to do so. It takes hundreds of games to have a solid foundation to get into the meta games.

Again sub 30s should keep their mouth closed about balance.

Let me channel my inner Celine Dion...

And... YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU ARE ALLLLWAAAAYYYSS MAAAAAAAKING... A FUCKING TERRIBLE POINT THAT'S NOT GROUND IN FACTS AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE SAYING AND ONLY ARE SAYING IT TO DISAGREE WITH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Seriously. You go find me real reason why a sub 30 account doesn't have an opinion SOLELY because they're a sub30 account. Oh wait... there isn't a reason. Have a nice day... Never speak again. Thanks.... byeeeee.

Specifically when you say "But no one that has a sub 30 account will have enough experience to have a valid/informed opinion on the game." means if FAKER or some other big shot LCS made an account and posted sub 30... you wouldn't listen purely because they're sub 30... it's dumb dude. You have no backing whatsoever. Stop trying. Please. It'll only make you look worse. Just kidding, keep trying, I need the laughs at this point.

xl Kirito lx1 votes

Because it impacts the nature of the complaint. People want to argue for equality, especially in theorycrafting, but where you're at does matter. Pre-30, you aren't even playing the game yet. Missing runes, missing masteries, inconsistency in playstyle. Bronze / Silver is incredibly different from diamond/masters, because of playstyles.

Last time I checked, tryndamere was an incredibly strong pick in bronze/silver, since no one knows how to respond to him. I'm going to go as far as to say he's a subpar pick in diamond/masters, since people know how to play against him and counterpick.

Not to mention, he's trying to compare Nasus to Darius, Fiora, Win Nao, and Vladimir.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

[{quoted}](name=xl Kirito lx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G8A3nfA4,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2016-02-27T21:05:20.879+0000)

Because it impacts the nature of the complaint. People want to argue for equality, especially in theorycrafting, but where you're at does matter. Pre-30, you aren't even playing the game yet. Missing runes, missing masteries, inconsistency in playstyle. Bronze / Silver is incredibly different from diamond/masters, because of playstyles.

Last time I checked, tryndamere was an incredibly strong pick in bronze/silver, since no one knows how to respond to him. I'm going to go as far as to say he's a subpar pick in diamond/masters, since people know how to play against him and counterpick.

Not to mention, he's trying to compare Nasus to Darius, Fiora, Win Nao, and Vladimir.

You are wrong. Sorry, but you're wrong. You can understand that or not. I'm done arguing with trolls. And if you specifically think someone's opinion doesn't matter because of their level. YOU ARE WRONG AND A TROLL.

WukongMain1 votes

Take champions that teamfight. Your goal is to simple survive. try and trade with him while he has under 150ish stacks. as soon as he even steps toward a minion to press Q, you need to fight them with everything you got. early game hes Q is pretty long a cooldown...he damage is subpar...abuse the hell out of this.

everytime he steps towards minion to Q, you go in with your spells and auto attacks. and back off after you've used your spells. do not let him auto you too much the guy has free lifesteal don't play to hes strengths. Rinse and repeat. doing your best to CS and harass him when he tries to stack a minion. he can really only trade with you by Q'ing you.so naturally if you trade with him before or after he stacks hes going to have to choose between getting those stacks or winning the trade.

while doing this you need to be keeping an eye on the minimap. (you should have taken teleport), you're going to want to make some teleport plays that you know can end in kills and then Dragon or a Turret. You need to help snowball the game.

Example : you're playing Renekton. Hes early game is super strong and with Ignite you can kill Nasus level 2. trade as much with him as you can level 1, and when you ding 2 go in immediately with your stun try and hold onto your ignite as long as possible, he may try and fight you still and you just may kill him without ignite. and from there Renekton can just zone Nasus lol

unless you think you can do something like in that example you need to take teleport.

Susan aka the cane aka the king of stacks....is not a problem :)

Dusk Mane Rengar1 votes

How to stop Nasus: Punish him each time he tries to farm a minion. Ofc you can't avoid that he gets stacks but instead of 300 at 20 minutes he will only have 150.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

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How to stop Nasus: Punish him each time he tries to farm a minion. Ofc you can't avoid that he gets stacks but instead of 300 at 20 minutes he will only have 150.

You're playing against a bad nasus.

Variks the Loyal1 votes

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You're playing against a bad nasus.

Every time I've played a lane bully VS Nasus, he can't even come close to the minions to CS. Because I, as Renekton Darius Gangplank, will kill him if he does.

He can't CS, which means no stacks. No stacks = no damage.

One other thing people NEVER take into account is Spirit Fire. Spirit Fire reduces the armor of people standing in it, which means that his Q, even at early ranks and stacks, will hurt a lot, but only if you stand in it. So don't. Kite him out of it. Stand outside it's radius when you fight. And if he used Wither to keep you inside of it, congrats, he's burning though his Mana pool extremely quickly, and if you're someone who knows Mana Management, or are just resourceless like Renekton, you can easily punish him for spamming his abilities.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

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Every time I've played a lane bully VS Nasus, he can't even come close to the minions to CS. Because I, as Renekton Darius Gangplank, will kill him if he does.

He can't CS, which means no stacks. No stacks = no damage.

One other thing people NEVER take into account is Spirit Fire. Spirit Fire reduces the armor of people standing in it, which means that his Q, even at early ranks and stacks, will hurt a lot, but only if you stand in it. So don't. Kite him out of it. Stand outside it's radius when you fight. And if he used Wither to keep you inside of it, congrats, he's burning though his Mana pool extremely quickly, and if you're someone who knows Mana Management, or are just resourceless like Renekton, you can easily punish him for spamming his abilities.

They're not playing properly. Thanks for trying.

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