Ever felt one ability or passive is totally out of place in a champion's kit and holding them back?

Secretlolz·6/1/2017, 12:09:31 AM·33 votes·3,225 views

In the sense maybe something is there to justify nothing stronger would be there and become a balance nightmare. Aspects of a champion that no one even bothers to think or use as it was "intended" because they are so out of dissonance with the champion's general essence or gameplay that they just don't fit.

Why does need an autoatack damage booster? And one that encourages her to attack the same target multiple times? Why does need an AP scaling trap, that is so strange it even has a build and playstyle dedicated to it? Why does need an autoatack trigger?

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EkyonKun6/1/2017, 12:19:00 AM33 votes

Annie Has Rammus's W for some reason on her E. Not that she needs buffs, but it's so out of place and just odd in general.

Sightless666/1/2017, 2:52:47 AM24 votes

Why does Orianna need an autoatack damage booster?

Because Xypherous wanted to make a champion that didn't fall into the "shoot all abilities and then do nothing" pattern that he dislikes in a lot of combo mages. Given that he also wanted to make her a generally mid-range champion, giving her a reward for autoattacking was a very good way of giving her more to do in a fight.

Is there a reason she shouldn't have it? I never see Ori players bitching that they have to autoattack. They're certainly happy enough to autoattack people to death. Is there a real problem here?

Why does Shaco need an AP scaling trap, that is so strange it even has a build and playstyle dedicated to it?

Why shouldn't he have it? Allowing for different builds is a pretty damn good thing, and it fits his theme very well. Is there a reason you think he shouldn't have it?

Why does Cho need an autoatack trigger?

It gives him a consistent damage threat as a tank despite having skillshot based CC and damage, and it allows for him to be very mana-gated on his powerful skills while also maintaining a strong pushing pressure in lane. Tanks usually need some kind of consistent damage threat or very reliable CC in order to function. Cho's design explicitly lacks the latter, so he gets the former. As a side point, it also enables jungling. It doesn't have to be this way, but there's nothing wrong with his part of his design. It does the job fine. The only complaint I might levy at it is that it isn't set up well to be used by squishier Cho builds.

A better example of this problem would probably be Annie's E. There's a skill that really makes no sense.

Anonagon6/1/2017, 12:25:23 AM23 votes

Sion's Passive

It should be fairly obvious - a death-triggered passive doesn't make sense on someone encouraged to build tank.

And the thematic value is also lacking... because he's already undead, right? Is he double undead in his passive? Is this what it means to go beyond?

Only Play Darius6/1/2017, 2:18:57 AM11 votes

Kalista Her kit could be neat if her damn hops were removed or at least gated somehow

Keevalroy6/1/2017, 1:28:46 AM8 votes

Ahri Yes...yes I have.

Get rid of her Q speed Riot. It has no place in her kit thematically or logically and will continue to be the biggest issue with her health until you finally admit it was a bad idea to replace an actual thematic addition with it.

Muzét6/1/2017, 1:45:51 AM7 votes

Xerath Lux Ziggs How to "force" artillery to go in enemy range: Give them passive that rely on auto. Mordekaiser just because it's the reason why he can't have good health or hprgn stat.

Other characters seems okay ?

Arakadia6/1/2017, 3:07:53 AM4 votes

Ezreal W is pretty shitty and odd. AS buffs for allies? It used to heal too. Its AoE yet it can't clear minions too.

ChaosThief6/1/2017, 3:24:26 AM3 votes

Ekko 's W. As much as it can be good... versus any team with brains it's nearly impossible to land, from my experience.

Wiggle Dat Butt6/1/2017, 2:51:52 AM3 votes

Diana's E can be useful at times, but I feel like replacing that ability could make her an extremely viable champion. Just needs some thought put into it.

Troll for Trump6/1/2017, 3:13:09 AM3 votes

Cho needs it to sustain in lane at all (and jg). HIs passive lets him win lanes, even though he still doesn't do that.

They tried to have Shaco do both AP and Ad; it didn't turn out well.

Orianna was meant to be a support, so that was likely a remnant from that time.

Marshbouy6/1/2017, 12:14:34 AM2 votes

Why shouldn't cho have an AA trigger?