Everytime i play against Ornn i get to see what it's like to play against Sion

Ben Sharpio··59 votes·5,303 views

I never felt bullshitted in anything that he did, he has an ulti that becomes more unreliable as the game goes on, he can be kited, telegraphed kit ect.

And then i play another game, where some meta slave in my elo picks a braindead tank like sej/zac/maokai/galio/rammus and my experience becomes absolute shit again, because they're playing a better version of my champ.

Ornn is fun, even though i've lost all of my games on him i want to keep playing him. Why is it so hard for riot to look at sion, look at ornn, look at tahm kench, alistar ect and see that these are the types of tanks that should exist, and not champs that outscale the concept of balance through their completely brainless, obnoxiously tanky kits.

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Mens Hair Club33 votes

revert sejuani, i agree

Arakadia14 votes

I know who you are.

Mens Hair Club23 votes

im mens hair club

AhmCha17 votes

Lincoln?!?!?! dat you boi?

Wait let me use the call of your people. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Mens Hair Club12 votes

reEEEE--

mhhm ahem i mean who ?

Wafflessssss4 votes

Mentions being a juggernaut main in another thread. Hmmmm

Mens Hair Club11 votes

i don't know what you're talking about

is this lincoln sir also a juggernaut ubermensch?

Wafflessssss3 votes

I should hope not. Because after all juggernauts are the easiest most broken class in the game right?

An Undead brat2 votes

HA, I knew there was something about me hating every single comment he wrote!

Mens Hair Club1 votes

toxic, stop bullying me

An Undead brat1 votes

When your champions stop bullying me in lane, then maybe

kasfas2 votes

I don't think she needs a full revert, though some partial changes would be nice. I think what she really needs is to have less damage on her e passive and more damage on her w.

When I tried playing her, it felt like my w was just a faster way to get my e damage off. I don't even like the e damage, i think it's redivulous and gimps her actual damage potential.

Other than that I think she could do with a flat stun on her e instead of a scaling stun, and they can increase the slow on her ult. In fact, I think it would be cool if her ult did damage to enemies who remain inside of it and more damage to champions who dash in it, but I'm not a sej main so I don't know what her mains played her for.

Oh, and one more thing, make her w do MAGIC damage. If her main source of damage is going to be physical, it totally ruins alternate build styles and play types.

Honestly, I would be happy if they just reverted most of the rework, but the least they could do is listen to the people who maimed sejuani and adjust their designs based on the reason she is played for.

Hello I am Bird2 votes

Men's hair club had the best theme in LISA imo

Melledoneus11 votes

Tip: Orn works very well with bursty divers like Diana, Xin Zhao, and Renekton.

If you see a mid lane Diana you've got a pretty damn good reason to gank mid.

Spoofghoul1 votes

he works well with sion too

wherever sion can't zone ornn is zoning etc you can't get past that and if u ever get caught you get stuck in an infinite cc loop oh and they are knockups so tenacity wont work

SanKakU10 votes

I don't know what was wrong with the Old Sejuani that she needed a rework. I'm starting to play Volibear as her replacement. I haven't managed to get S grade yet. The cooldown on his ultimate is killing me. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Mens Hair Club14 votes

Are you a masochist? Why are you playing Volibear?

SanKakU4 votes

Well, I figure he's got that relationship with Ornn, so it'll be interesting. Was wanting to buy several of the 4800 IP champs so I could hopefully get better odds for 6300 IP champs with the champion shards, but Riot's recent rune rework announcements changed that plan and somehow I managed to reroll shards into the 1 out of 2 3150 IP champs I didn't own yet.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Grizzlpaw1 votes

Voli is near impossible to get an S on. It took me ages to get mastery 7 on him.

Tfw 20/0/3 23/3/6 7/1/20

S-...

It Hertz When IP2 votes

Check your CS and warding scores, that's likely what's holding your rank down.

Flemman1 votes

play him support, got S pretty often with him there

SanKakU2 votes

Which keystone(s)?

Flemman2 votes

colossus with Q spell max first

Shuyin1787 votes

Tahm is one of my favorite tanks. If a tank can beat Darius with little problems, you found a winner.

LankPants7 votes

I find both Ornn and Sion to be utterly abysmal to play. They're basically taking all your control over the game and handing it over to the enemy then saying "I hope you suck because if you play even decently around me I do absolutely nothing".

That's not to say other tanks are good, I could go into a thousand word essay on why they're not, but the solution isn't anymore to try and make them more like Sion/Ornn than it was to make them all like Nautilus. Each champion needs to be allowed to be their own thing, which is where the tank reworks failed, trying to make every tank more like any tank is destined to fail just as badly.

This is why I keep saying Sej and Zac should just be straight up reverted, both of those champions felt more unique, more fun and more fair to play against before their reworks.

SpiritOfOdysseus2 votes

What about Illaoi? Shes the exact same way minus her W which I call a baby fart dash. If the enemy can play around her shes effectively useless unless youre a master at delayed skillshots.

LankPants1 votes

Same shit different class.

I also hate playing Illaoi and I think making ever Juggernaut more like her would also make the game far worse just as it has with tanks.

Mens Hair Club1 votes

Illaoi is the best one though

THE RlVER KlNG5 votes

Tahm Kench is just so wierd that he doesn't fit in with other tanks

He can't engage and his peel is limited, since devour doesn't technically count as peel since it removes the carry completely (this disallowing them from doing their job, which peel typically is attempting to enable)

He's like if a Juggernaut and a Warden had a baby but with several glaring flaws

Ralanr3 votes

I never considered his W not counting as peel. Just that it's one of the strongest peel abilities in the game.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

peeling in my mind is still allowing your carry to do their job

Devour is no more peel than Zhonya's or Bard or Kalista ult is, its literally removing them from the game and not allowing them to create impact

sure its one of the most powerful utility/defensive allied spells in the game, but not peeling

Blåbæret5 votes

Because Riot has lost sight of their game. They've been changing it for the sake of change, and the result is a poorly balanced game.

Sir Fuzzi4 votes

High mobility, high burst is the video game version of 'sex sells.'

Miraweave3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Fuzzi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G7xg7cOq,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2017-09-05T12:07:38.887+0000)

High mobility, high burst is the video game version of 'sex sells.'

I'm pretty sure "sex sells" is the video game version of "sex sells". Just look at Ahri Ashe MissFortune Sona Riven Leblanc etc...

Dominick Destine1 votes

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I'm pretty sure "sex sells" is the video game version of "sex sells". Just look at Ahri Ashe MissFortune Sona Riven Leblanc etc...

LOL Ashe and Riven "Sex sells".

They're two of the most reasonably designed champions in the game. You could have a point with Miss Fortune because she's designed that way intentionally as part of her lore, but other than that, fail.

Miraweave2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G7xg7cOq,comment-id=001c00000000,timestamp=2017-09-06T21:56:30.837+0000)

LOL Ashe and Riven "Sex sells".

They're two of the most reasonably designed champions in the game. You could have a point with Miss Fortune because she's designed that way intentionally as part of her lore, but other than that, fail.

Riven has a fucking playboy bunny skin, and ashe has her tits hanging out in like half of her skins.

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

Riven has a fucking playboy bunny skin

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playboy bunny skin

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skin

Suddenly the problem comes into focus, at least I hope it did for one of us.

and ashe has her tits hanging out in like half of her skins.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Miraweave1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G7xg7cOq,comment-id=001c0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-06T23:26:45.245+0000)

.

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Suddenly the problem comes into focus, at least I hope it did for one of us.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Your point is?...

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

Your point is?

Did you read my previous post?

Miraweave1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G7xg7cOq,comment-id=001c000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-07T19:44:00.512+0000)

Did you read my previous post?

Your previous post was three dots and a face. It was stupid and had no point.

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

Your previous post was three dots and a face. It was stupid and had no point.

That does not answer the question I presented.

Direct questions require direct answers.

Miraweave1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G7xg7cOq,comment-id=001c00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-08T00:38:09.460+0000)

That does not answer the question I presented.

Direct questions require direct answers.

I obviously did read it if I'm saying it was completely meaningless.

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

I obviously did read it

Obviously you did not.

your previous post was three dots and a face.

Evidence to demonstrate my statement is veridical.

The prosecution rests.

aqours fanboy1 votes

Tanks have high mobility and burst?

Tails90161 votes

Skarner Hi there.. I mean he needs his full build but then he just kills you during his 1 second stun

Jackom12 votes

Well, right now zac, and galio don't have insane win rates. Rammus and Mao are just around 50%. The only real problem I'd say is Sejuani, but that might have more to do with her passive, which makes her basically immune to burst. Reducing the duration of frost armor could really lower her win rate. Even if sej fails her engage, she's still an absurd damage sponge. But that's just my 2 cents.

That said, I agree, ornn and sion right now have the most interesting kits: they're strong but heavily telegraphed, which allows for skill expressions on both parts (the player using said champs and the enemies).

Still, zac and galio are fairly telegarphed too, it's just that they were doing too much damage.

Penns2 votes

theyre still tanks tho so i still feel bullshitted hehe

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Honestly the only change I think Ornn needs is to make his E hitbox bigger so you can actually reliably hit walls with the ability (I almost feel like you NEED flash to actually hit walls with Flash+E) and to make his W ACTUALLY make you Unstoppable during it. His W works wonders against Knock Ups since it DOES fully negate the Knock Up, but on ANY other form of CC is is just glorified Tenacity since the CC will continue after your W is over since you are technically not "immune" to the initial cast of CC. I should be more or less rewarded for blocking CC with W but most of the time (unless it is a knock up) it doesn't matter since I am STILL CC'd after my W is over and I die anyway (Nasus Wither has been the most obnoxious interaction imho because this Nasus would constantly Wither me during my W and I would still take the 99% slow to the face since all it did was "start" me out at the 60% slow threshold or whatever since I was Unstoppable for the 1-59% part). Use W to block Ashe Ult? Still stunned for like 1.5 seconds. I am 99% Olaf doesn't have this problem and he is just straight up immune to the CC even if he takes a max range Ashe ult during the last 0.01 seconds of his ult he won't be stunned, but Ornn takes the full brunt of the stun after his W is over.

Leaf on Bush3 votes

If you can't hit walls you might wanna go see an eye doctor.

VelvetCrotch1 votes

This problem is present in every class. Assassin: braindead: talon, khazix Fighters: ": jax, garen, yi Supports: ": blitz, soraka ... There is a big gap in every single role in LoL. Cause of that, there are reworks. Darius for example is harder to play after his rework. Well some didn't really work (LeBlanc) But none the less Riot tries. Slowly but they try.

Btw: Seju and Galio are less braindead than tham.

That's my point of view

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