Why exactly are Runes that are NECESSARY so high in price? You need them for games sometimes.. Forcing a player to spend all his IP on Runes makes it where people don't even want to buy them in general since they rather get a champion, seriously.
With this being the biggest online game, this is sad. You'd expect more.
Sinlaire11 votesI know it seems rough for you, but anyone who's been here for more than 2 years arent going to have much sympathy to give out.
There used to be 3 tiers of runes. tier one you used until level 10 when you unlocked tier 2, and tier 2 until 20 which unlocked level 3.
then about ~ 1.5 years ago Riot dropped all of the rune costs by anywhere between 20-80%depending on the rune type. Tier 2 was unlocked at level one and no longer forced you to 10 and essentially eliminated tier 1 altogether. I haven't looked at runes in a long time but i think all of Tier 1 is like 1 -15 Ip each now. meaning you can fill enitire pages in a day, run to level 20, and start on your tier 3 runes with out and major hit in stats or cost. this also made it so you could just jump straight into decent runes that cost as much as the original tier 2 rune sets. Tier 3's had their cost cut roughly in half for a full page.
So Riot has already drastically cut prices on their rune costs recently and wont be doing so again because they've already stated they want to find a way to do away with the entire rune system altogether. meaning any further effort on smoothing out the process would be arbitrary as they're planning on scrapping it the moment they find a proper replacement.
so in the mean time, while it sucks, atleast consider that had you been playing earlier, your runes prices would be double what they are now.
So while most people dont like it, there's your grain of salt.
Comrade Napoleon2 votes7380IP on 9 crappy dodge runes just because i saw it on a couple of guides on moba fire. it was horrible
This Is Your Dad9 votesNew players can buy runes slightly less powerful for 1 lp each, until they save enough for the best ones.
Darth West2 votes[deleted]
flibitydoo11 votesa greater mark of attack damage is like +.95 AD
the tier 2 option a mark of attack damage is +.74 AD
you get 75% of the value for 1 ip.
dunder kill5 votesSome random stranger on the internet is calling out a billion dollar company on their money making practices. I bet you know way better than they do.
They make plenty of money, hello?
The entitlement with this is so strong that you actually made me cringe irl. Riot is a for-profit company. No shit they make money. They wouldn't be providing us this FREE game if they weren't. Welcome to the real world where 99.9% of people wont work for free
Need Gold 4 Tent2 votesRunes are "free" in terms of real cash... though i suppose the boosts to earn them are where the $ come from. If you look at it from the perspective of a RPG, you just have to manage your IP budget. you want the good stuff, you grind for them either as a rare drop or to farm gold/gil/mesos whatever to buy them. Even RPGs don't let you buy legendary equips for 1 gold, you either work for it through difficult bosses, impossible minigames or a 0.001% drop rate.
If you want a larger champion roster, you sacrifice by having a smaller pool of runes/rune pages, and vice versa. Since it is unrealistic to master a large number of champs in a short time, my opinion is that you are better off spending more on runes and less on champs. By the time you mastered a large champion pool to require more specific pages, you'd usually have loads of ip already.
The bare minimum you need is an general AD page and an AP page, because there is absolutely no champ that does not make use of either of those, even tanks are all either AD or AP based, and those are reasonably cheap.
50000000000000001 votesSomewhat off topic, but I'd suggest AP tanks take AD runes to help CS, anyway.
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesa lot of ap carries take magic pen reds, which magic tanks especially love with their low scalings and high base damages. the standard 2 sets are 15 ad/13 armor/12 mr and 8.5 magic pen/15 ap/13 armor/12 mr. a magic tank can go without magic pen (it works) for AD, but they usually have a way to farm anyway in forms of aoe waveclear (cho/sejuani/zac/malphite) or in-built last-hitting tools (nasus/shen).
Thus the AD would only be beneficial probably only until level 5 when they get rank up their skill to level 3 while magic pen gives a % damage increase that scales even more lategame.
Shrek Luigi1 votesi like attack speed because a lot of AP tanks have really goofy autoattack frames hehe. since they're perpetually in combat and generally have gapclosers and/or ranged CC there's no need to take the wanderer mastery over savagery for those few points of damage at lv1. mao and naut instantly sprung to mind.
50000000000000001 votesNautilus with his passive has great last hitting, so he could benefit from MPen also. I'd take AD on Maokai, although it's been a while since I last played him.
Troll for Trump1 votesAttack speed is probably better because:
Iceborn gauntlet (for the really rare occasions when you buy it)
and, more importantly, a faster proc on your passive.
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesI find that Abyssal/IBG/Sunfire are a kind of generalist ap tank build that can fit any tank (even manaless tanks like Shen can make use of them too, although with a bit of wasted stats). IBG can be a go-to buy rather than a rare one.
Troll for Trump1 votesYeah, It's great, especially when you're ahead, but the lack of hp really feels bad
dunder kill6 votesIf you want a larger champion roster, you sacrifice by having a smaller pool of runes/rune pages, and vice versa
DUH.
Thats the entire point. Deflect some of the in game currency to runes to persuade people to purchase a few champs with RP.
Welcome to the free-to-play structure. There has to be some incentive to spend $ or the company goes under and we have no game to play. I don't understand this mentality of people who refuse to spend $20 for a few champs they like. If you've been playing a game for 20+ hours, it's really not a bad deal to drop $20 on it. At least they let you test the game out before you spent a dime.
Keep in mind you didnt have to spend a $60 charge for the game itself. You don't have to pay any subscription fee. There are no 'DLC' bundles to buy. Weird how nobody complains about that part though huh?
Stróc Dúnmharú2 votesSome random stranger on the internet is calling out a billion dollar company on their money making practices. I bet you know way better than they do.
The entitlement with this is so strong that you actually made me cringe irl. Riot is a for-profit company. No shit they make money. They wouldn't be providing us this FREE game if they weren't. Welcome to the real world where 99.9% of people wont work for free
They don't make money off of runes. Runes are purely purchased with IP. Thus the point that Riot are a for profit company is moot, because they don't get one cent when you buy a rune, even the really insane 2k IP quints. Runes inhibit the desire of newer players to play the game more seriously when they look at how little IP they have, how slow it is to get more, and how expensive it is to put together one competitive rune page.
Eedat2 votesYou're not very bright.
Make runes IP purchase only. Players spend the IP they earn on them. No IP to purchase champs. Incentives purchasing champions for RP.
Or had you not figured this out yet?
Stróc Dúnmharú1 votesYou're not very bright.
Make runes IP purchase only. Players spend the IP they earn on them. No IP to purchase champs. Incentives purchasing champions for RP.
Or had you not figured this out yet?
Yeah, I get that. The issue isn't whether players have an incentive or not to buy RP for champions. I'm pretty sure Riot make more money off of skins and other things that don't actually impact game play at all than on champion bought with RP. The problem is that having to purchase runes creates another lock that players have to work to get through. Riot, at least at the start of season 7, was considering getting rid of Normal Draft games. Meaning that if you wanted to play an actual good match that wasn't just a clash of all the permaban champions in mirror matches, you have to play ranked. The problem is that, in order to play ranked, you already need to both read level 30 AND have enough champions unlocked on your account before you can go into a rank queue. Fair enough, they need to make money somehow.
But realistically, if you don't have a proper, all tier 3 rune page for every champion you play in ranked, you will be handicapped, since your opponents will have 30 tier 3 runes, and you start off the game at a disadvantage. Riot want to give more incentive to play ranked, but the difficulty of actually being useful in a ranked game before you even start playing remains largely the same.
Now, I understand that Riot can get you to spend more money by forcing you to burn all your IP on runes. But consider this: if that was the only consideration, then why did they allow new accounts to level up faster? Surely they should have kept the experience curve of levelling your account in the same time consuming state that it was previously, right? I mean, you can spend money on an EXP Boost in the store, to help you level up faster. So, why make levelling up happen faster? The lost money, right? But they did it anyway.
Personally, I think it would be more beneficial to new players to have a longer "levelling up" period in their account than to have to burn all their IP on runes, ESPECIALLY since there are so many useless runes in the game. Like energy regen, flat energy, scaling energy regen, revival runes, experience runes, in addition to the other runes that really just suck despite carrying useful stats, like Cooldown Reds (.2% CDR for 1 tier 3 Rune, utter trash).
In addition to this, if making money is such a big deal that they have to eat up all your IP with runes so that you're forced to buy champions with money, why not go a step further? How about making Masteries cost IP as well? You get one mastery page, and each of the other 19 that you can purchase cost 2k IP. Then, each point you invest in a Mastery page costs an additional 50 IP. That's 3500 IP per full Mastery Page. Then, just to make sure the money keeps rolling in, resetting the page after you've saved it costs 100 IP, just to keep the profits topped off, and to make sure people can't just sit on one mastery page if they ever want to play more than one champion while grinding to unlock other.
At the end of the day, a bigger player base means more people who could potentially give money to the company in exchange for champion skins, chromas, ward skins, icons, new champions, hextech keys and chests, and anything else Riot come up with. A lower "entry level" into being able to play on an even playing field, ie. removing the IP cost of runes that, for some ludicrous reason can exceed the IP cost of many champions for only one rune, will allow more players to start the game with the same level of power and potential to win lane as their opponents. This means a larger gross rate of player turnover from "new player" to "long time player", and thus more people spending money.
TL;DR
XP Boosts are still on sale, but Riot still made levelling up a new account faster, thus raw money gained per player is not their only consideration. They also don't charge anything at all for Mastery Pages or Mastery Points, meaning they are willing to leave money on the table. Removing the IP cost of runes makes it easier for newer players, and therefore new revenue sources for Riot, to get into playing the game regularly. Conclusion: in a big picture sense it is of a benefit to EVERYONE for Riot to lower or outright remove the IP cost of runes.
Emerald Fang9 votesYou know Riot just ignores the threads they don't care about? This topic is one of them. 10 threads made that I have seen about rune prices, and not a single red comment regardless of upvotes.
Velzard of Koz5 votesBecause they are already working on Masteries and Runes rework.
TheHobbits4 votesRiot has said that they will be reworking the Runes system. Unlikely we will see changes until then.
Jächermeister4 votesWhat do you mean with "high prise". They already turned these Rune Prices down to the bottom. When i played in season 3 i saved up ...idk...20k IP to get my 2 standart rune pages. Now you can get both runepages for like 10k IP. Its already half price since Season 5 or 6, when ever the rune price change was.
Eedat3 votesGreater mark of attack damage: 102 IP x 9 = 918 IP
Greater armor seal: 102 IP x 9 = 918 IP
Greater Glyph of magic resist: 102 IP x 9 = 918 IP
Greater Quintensence of Attack damage = 512 IP x 3 = 1536 IP
The AP runes are the exact same price except:
Greater mark of magic penetration: 205 IP x 9 = 1840 IP
It isnt bad at all lol. Guess what? It makes almost no difference running lethality as opposed to flat AD reds. Or other minute differences
Catastrophic2 votesGreater mark of attack damage: 102 IP x 9 = 918 IP
Greater armor seal: 102 IP x 9 = 918 IP
Greater Glyph of magic resist: 102 IP x 9 = 918 IP
Greater Quintensence of Attack damage = 512 IP x 3 = 1536 IP
The AP runes are the exat same price except:
Greater mark of magic penetration: 205 IP x 9 = 1040 IP
It isnt bad at all lol. Guess what? It makes almost no difference running lethality as opposed to flat AD reds. Or other minute differences
While I agree that these generalist runes are cheap enough. cause those were my first sets. But being a gangplank main, I have to tell you, lethality runes make all the difference in the world.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku3 voteswtf u monkey fellow... are u realy believe it make no difference ??
Darth West4 votes[{quoted}](name=Ryuumoku no koke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G6Itgk0E,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-04-15T17:34:19.562+0000)
wtf u monkey fellow... are u realy believe it make no difference ??
Don't even try to understand him honestly.. He's basically saying a person with Low Tier Runes will be on equal ground with High Tier Runes in a fight. Even the smallest difference can change a tide of battle.
Eedat2 votesI never said anything about tier 2 runes
SnowFall3 votesI want an once in lifetime event where players can refund all of their runes and champion for ip
FastAsHeck3 votespsst, buy T2 runes. They cost 1 IP and are only worse than T3 by a tiny amount.
SirΤeemο2 votes[deleted]
Eedat2 votesThats your fault because you can make a basic page of T3 runes for like 4k IP
Inting Pillow2 votesRune prices are bullshit. Not sure why. They cost IP and not RP so it isn't even money. Rito pls
FilDaFunk1 votesI need to save up 60k IP in the next 6 months. Need all the 30 chromas.
ModKnightsKemplar1 votesThey have already said they are looking at changes. I would expect something next preseason, probably, based on when they said they were looking into it. They've been pretty quiet about it, so it's hard to speculate, but it might mean they found something they like and are refining the idea so they can implement it later this year.
AmazoX1 votesRather, it should get easier to get them.
Synnx71 votesWith this being the biggest online game, this is sad. You'd expect more.
Its not
CasualPeachSax1 votesI'm pretty sure it is. Just search biggest online game on google and it comes to be at top position. I believe the last time their release their player base numbers was in 2014 and it was with 27 million daily players and 67 monthly players. I believe the community has been only growing the past few years. (it might be slowing down right now, from a personal entourage perspective) That'd be speculation tho.
Sad Tyrant1 votesThey are gonna be changed, however it remains to be seen what they are going to do to them
FrostyPacy1 votesPlease no.
I spent so much IP on runes already
CasualPeachSax1 votesIf they did that they'd prolly refund the difference for or make everyone get the IP value of the previous runes they had and remove the runes for everyone to re-buy them. (or something like that)
SlashStriker1 votesi personally want Quints to get reworked similar to Keystones to make things more interesting
Aeszarck1 votesYou say that like they haven't already been changed, twice. Tier 2 Runes are now laughably cheap and some Tier 3 Runes are cheaper. Riot is going to rework the Rune system sometime in the future and they're not going to change their prices again. Tier 2 Runes are good anyways, the difference between them and their Tier 3 counterparts is negligible if you run the math. You can function just fine with Tier 2s and just buy Champions. The extra stats will almost never make any difference because the difference in stats is just so small.
Terchio1 votesTo all those who are talking about the Rune Rework:
Yeah, that's a thing. A really old thing, actually. I think it's been discussed at least since early season 4, when runes were rebalanced to be streamlined and simple by making a few stronger picks stand out, like attack speed quints and cooldown reduction (which was flattened to collect into values divisible by 5). There were discussions of ditching them even before that, but that was supposed to be a holdover until the new system came out.
As much as the current system sucks, I disagree with the sentiment that it sucks by design, and instead think it's by neglect. They haven't seen improvements (real improvements, to freshen up the system) since before season 4, and the improvements that have been proposed sound like rehashing the mastery system, moreso the keystones. I am not for that. The keystones are an annoyance in general, and I feel that they aren't only going to be a sub-par infusion into the Runes system, but they'll tout its successes by comparing it to a system that has seen questionable improvements at best since the beta.
In short, I want to see a Warwick rework of the runes, mostly just a freshening up. However, I'm prepared to see another Skarner.
Elikain1 votesRiot did say they intend to rework runes and the plan to do so may be this year. Nothing has been confirmed but it was talked about in their video, i believe in /dev diary or something. As far as i can assess, since rune overhaul would be a major systemic change, that would be somewhere in the pre-season 8 at earliest, in my opinion.
DarkRitual1 votesUnlikely untill we get the full rune system overhaul.
yingwhy1 votesBecause if they were cheap people wouldn't spend money to buy champions and resulting in Riot losing money.
reiko571 votesyou should use your IP on the chorma sales
sirwaterfles1 votesRune update was supposed to be this midseason but got delayed because they need to finish the new client for that which is only now comming into its final stages. Expect it for nextpreseason or midseason if the run into mayor issues and shit gets seriously delayed.