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Go ahead guys, don't worry about it. I'll be fine. Go out there and make me proud
Don't be sad, you're finally numero uno. Even though it's only numero uno ban!
Old Man Teeto17 votesI'm hoping he goes through once.
I don't care if he ends up feeding 0-20, just curious to see how teams work around him as an ADC replacement.
Also, this fate was inevitable, one champion does not change a meta, for if he is truly meta changing alone you simply can ban him, for a true change to occur we need 6+ champions of the role.
Pyrodinium2 votesThe problem is that the ADCs in professional teams have been playing exclusively marksmen during their whole professional career.
It's tremendously risky for them for abandoning their usual picks and years of specialized training in order to try a hand at Mordekaiser.
Arcana Lancer9 votesI think you got it wrong, if that's the case he wouldn't be banned at all since those pros don't have to worry about him being picked.
Horrow2 votesThe problem is that the ADCs in professional teams have been playing exclusively marksmen during their whole professional career.
It's tremendously risky for them for abandoning their usual picks and years of specialized training in order to try a hand at Mordekaiser.
Yeah. That's exactly why no teams bother banning hi-...oh wait.
Jungle Lux God1 votesNot every marksman player has played exclusively marksman.
Wildturtle and Tabzz both played mid lane before they moved over to ADC.
Burnt Iron King15 votesYou really like this picture, dontcha Metal?
A Superb Villain72 votesI think it perfectly encompasses the bitter, yet expected, disappointment and general discontent with Mordekaiser's current state in League.
Insane Pyromanic8 votes[{quoted}](name=A Superb Villain,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-10-01T20:52:03.732+0000)
I think it perfectly encompasses the bitter, yet expected, disappointment and general discontent with Mordekaiser's current state in League.
Most of my friends and myself love the new morde. I can barely belive people are actually attached to old toxickaiser, terror of season 1&2 and destroyer of mid lane. I do think his numbers are a little too high right now though.
Reazale41 votesImplying he is not toxic now, i like that...
Insane Pyromanic3 votesImplying he is not toxic now, i like that...
I said his numbers were overtuned, and no, he isn't toxic. He has clear counter play. You ward dragon and kick him around in the early game with poke. No one seems to understand that you run when his q is charging up and don't slapfight him in melee range. Was kind of always the deal with morde, when he came out the fourms cried for the exact same reasons everyone does now. If you were within AA range of morde, you died. So they nerfed him. Now he's better able to be balanced AND more interesting. He just need his numbers toned down.
Mordepool19 votes[{quoted}](name=Insane Pyromanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-01T22:27:46.846+0000)
I said his numbers were overtuned, and no, he isn't toxic. He has clear counter play. You ward dragon and kick him around in the early game with poke. No one seems to understand that you run when his q is charging up and don't slapfight him in melee range. Was kind of always the deal with morde, when he came out the fourms cried for the exact same reasons everyone does now. If you were within AA range of morde, you died. So they nerfed him. Now he's better able to be balanced AND more interesting. He just need his numbers toned down.
Your a fukcing joke you don't know anything about morde leave or prepare to burn
Insane Pyromanic1 votesYour a fukcing joke you don't know anything about morde leave or prepare to burn
I was going to leave a argument here but I looked at your lolking. I have about 3000 more ranked games alone lifetime played and am in gold compared to you in silver V/Bronze 1. One of my most played champs is morde before rework, many MANY more normals with morde outside of ranked.
Now, if you leave comment with some discussion involved, maybe I can leave a proper response.
Mordepool2 votes[{quoted}](name=Insane Pyromanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-04T00:45:01.992+0000)
I was going to leave a argument here but I looked at your lolking. I have about 3000 more ranked games alone lifetime played and am in gold compared to you in silver V/Bronze 1. One of my most played champs is morde before rework, many MANY more normals with morde outside of ranked.
My views on Mordekaisers kit are established in reality not the imagined world you live in. He's more toxic. More binary. More feast and famine. Unbalancable. These are facts.
Pull rank all you want won't change that your wrong. But you keep grasping at straws.
Insane Pyromanic1 votesMy views on Mordekaisers kit are established in reality not the imagined world you live in. He's more toxic. More binary. More feast and famine. Unbalancable. These are facts.
Pull rank all you want won't change that your wrong. But you keep grasping at straws.
I'm still waiting for you to post something that actually starts conversation instead of just crying that morde is toxic without anything to back it up. Saying that I'm grasping at straws is foolish as well, since I have backed up my arguments in multiple places on the boards and am willing to do so here, as long as you are willing to present something that can be reasoned with.
Keep in mind I think new morde is too strong atm and needs some adjusting, but not unbalanceable.
Mordepool1 votes[{quoted}](name=Insane Pyromanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-05T19:22:11.012+0000)
I'm still waiting for you to post something that actually starts conversation instead of just crying that morde is toxic without anything to back it up. Saying that I'm grasping at straws is foolish as well, since I have backed up my arguments in multiple places on the boards and am willing to do so here, as long as you are willing to present something that can be reasoned with.
Keep in mind I think new morde is too strong atm and needs some adjusting, but not unbalanceable.
How would you propose to change Morde to be viable in both lanes.
Your views on morde are misguided that's why I have a problem with what you said earlier.
You may have noted that those posts have been down voted to oblivion. If that's not an indication to you (in a thread full of Morde mains) that your wrong I don't know what can. However I acted irrationally and have to apologize for that.
Insane Pyromanic1 votesHow would you propose to change Morde to be viable in both lanes.
Your views on morde are misguided that's why I have a problem with what you said earlier.
You may have noted that those posts have been down voted to oblivion. If that's not an indication to you (in a thread full of Morde mains) that your wrong I don't know what can. However I acted irrationally and have to apologize for that.
I can make a video later of the solutions I have come up with how to change him and some options that could be taken other than just reverting him to old morde. When I get some time I'll record it and post it on youtube. Might be a day or 2. I don't believe my views on morde are misguided due to my long experience with the game and playing morde myself as well as watching others) play morde. Maybe that are, but I have the right to back them up with logic. On a side note, if I cared about downvotes i'd post more circlejerk instead of my actual opinions. I've been on reddit long enough to know how that works.
EDIT: Been working on the video, will try to have it out by tomorrow evening.
Keevalroy6 votesI said his numbers were overtuned, and no, he isn't toxic. He has clear counter play.
LOOOOL
IcyPepper3 votesDoes he have no counterplay at all? o.O
I played against him before, I felt like I had options.
RISE Shlack1233 votesCare to weigh in on Morde being banned in every Worlds match so far? I mean, if he has exploitable counterplay, surely he wouldn't be permabanned by the pros, right? Right?
IcyPepper1 votesThere might be more to it than that for all I know. I'd rather hear what the pros say, because it is possible to be overpowered to hell and still have counterplay.
I'm not saying he doesn't need nerfs :V He clearly does.
Angry Monster3 votesHe does not need nerfs he needs to be fixed. the reasons why he is broken.
dragon pet I should not even need to explain. If you do not see why this is an issue you need to stop looking at gameplay posts.
exp advantage (this is a problem on several levels) What is riot going to do the next time they want to force a mage into duo? give the same EXP advantage? Theoretically i should currently be allowed to a mage in the bot lane to counter morde but you cant cause only he can get the EXP of a solo in a duo.
Getting a level 6 advantage first or even a level 3 first can be huge in lane. Most ADC combos are going to be forced to give up ground for artificial reasons.
Itemization I want to expand on this one. How the fuck is an ADC that is supposed to build damage suppoesed to deal with magic damage, that by nature scales really well with level. Range champs do not get MR per level and MR itemization is horrible for ADC job. Part of the expectation is that they are supposed to be weak early and scale with little defenses. Most are not designed to handle this situation.
The problems with Morde are obvious and numerous. What ever certainly T fixed by creating morde was removed by the new problems that he created. These game play patterns are a mistakes individually and combined are even worse.
IcyPepper2 votesUgh, I hear you on the exp one. If you have to give your champion a passive that breaks one of the game's core mechanics in laning strategy, there's a problem.
Dragon is obvious (cool as hell, but yeah...).
Honestly I just want to hear what the pros think to reaffirm this or if there is an issue that we're missing. I don't find him overpowered at lower levels of play (where I am, admittedly. Then again, I just pick his counters because... well, guess that speaks volumes), but he's definitely broken.
After worlds, I'm hoping someone talks about Mordekaiser and then maybe Riot can go about actually fixing him properly. I appreciate their attempt to shaking up the bot lane, but it shouldn't be at the expense of other players.
Angry Monster2 votesSneaky and doublrlift said some stuff while streaming in korea. Broken and OP were the jist of it as they spammed solo Q.
IcyPepper2 votesI guess they didn't feel a need to go in further depth then? :/
Damn, this Morde rework was a failure. I give them props for trying, but...
Insane Pyromanic1 votesLOOOOL
Compelling argument there m8.
Keevalroy3 votesI'm not arguing with anything, I'm laughing at that incredible fallacy.
Insane Pyromanic1 votesI'm not arguing with anything, I'm laughing at that incredible fallacy.
so do you intend to attempt to prove my opinion wrong or just make vague statements that don't back up your own opinions?
Keevalroy2 votesYou claim that Morde isn't toxic, what do I really need to argue?
Mortekaiser23 votes[{quoted}](name=Insane Pyromanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-01T22:27:46.846+0000)
I said his numbers were overtuned, and no, he isn't toxic. He has clear counter play. You ward dragon and kick him around in the early game with poke. No one seems to understand that you run when his q is charging up and don't slapfight him in melee range. Was kind of always the deal with morde, when he came out the fourms cried for the exact same reasons everyone does now. If you were within AA range of morde, you died. So they nerfed him. Now he's better able to be balanced AND more interesting. He just need his numbers toned down.
i find it hard to believe that old morde was "toxic", and old morde is definitely less toxic, if at all, than new morde. old morde did a lot of damage, true, but he simply couldn't outright win lane all of the time. morde had his counters, was beaten pretty hard by ranged (but note: he wasn't completely defeated by it! he still had options against ranged, but now he has no way to realistically fight that without a support) and was completely immobile, which opened up plenty of avenues for ganking seeing as how most mordes pushed waves
"but morte, there were some champs that outright beat morde, and some champs that morde outright beat! he must be toxic" no, that is the simple truth of counterpicking. some champs counterpick the other. that's the way it ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
"but morte, his shield made him completely uninteractive!" perhaps then you should not attempt to outtrade someone whom you may not be able to get close enough to. or, if you're playing a strong bruiser, just all in him, and make him regret ever trying to farm. I'd rather have the "uninteractive morde" than shit like top lane xin zhao with ignite, who has the interaction of killing you if you ever decided to play a video game.
I can name you multiple champs that did a lot of the shit that morde did, but better. you list something you think is "toxic" about old morde's kit, and I'll list you a champ that is far worse to deal with when it comes to that.
new morde is far less interesting because none of his old kit's problems were solved but instead made worse. most of his damage is now completely frontloaded into his Q, instead of being distributed within his kit. W was a situational movespeed buff which became even more situational than before. E's damage got more incoherent and now encourages less standardized builds, which tend to be inefficient considering morde's damage is almost purely magic damage still. ult is now still just his ult, but with more power budget shoehorned in which ends up being a "win-more" mechanic instead of anything with counterplay.
with all that bullshit right there, I think new morde is far more toxic than old morde ever was. you list me something that you think was a problem with his old kit, and I can list you something that can deal with it, the counterplay for it, how to build for it, and so forth.
DrNova2 votesI'm sure he's coming back, just give him a moment
NineTailedMystic2 votesI'm not saying old Morde was toxic, but I don't remember having fun ever laning against him.
Maximum Morde2 votesI'm not saying old Morde was toxic, but I don't remember having fun ever laning against him.
That's how I feel about Devourer.
Insane Pyromanic1 votesi find it hard to believe that old morde was "toxic", and old morde is definitely less toxic, if at all, than new morde. old morde did a lot of damage, true, but he simply couldn't outright win lane all of the time. morde had his counters, was beaten pretty hard by ranged (but note: he wasn't completely defeated by it! he still had options against ranged, but now he has no way to realistically fight that without a support) and was completely immobile, which opened up plenty of avenues for ganking seeing as how most mordes pushed waves
"but morte, there were some champs that outright beat morde, and some champs that morde outright beat! he must be toxic" no, that is the simple truth of counterpicking. some champs counterpick the other. that's the way it ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
"but morte, his shield made him completely uninteractive!" perhaps then you should not attempt to outtrade someone whom you may not be able to get close enough to. or, if you're playing a strong bruiser, just all in him, and make him regret ever trying to farm. I'd rather have the "uninteractive morde" than shit like top lane xin zhao with ignite, who has the interaction of killing you if you ever decided to play a video game.
I can name you multiple champs that did a lot of the shit that morde did, but better. you list something you think is "toxic" about old morde's kit, and I'll list you a champ that is far worse to deal with when it comes to that.
new morde is far less interesting because none of his old kit's problems were solved but instead made worse. most of his damage is now completely frontloaded into his Q, instead of being distributed within his kit. W was a situational movespeed buff which became even more situational than before. E's damage got more incoherent and now encourages less standardized builds, which tend to be inefficient considering morde's damage is almost purely magic damage still. ult is now still just his ult, but with more power budget shoehorned in which ends up being a "win-more" mechanic instead of anything with counterplay.
with all that bullshit right there, I think new morde is far more toxic than old morde ever was. you list me something that you think was a problem with his old kit, and I can list you something that can deal with it, the counterplay for it, how to build for it, and so forth.
The problem with morde when he was first released may be slightly different since the game was way different back then. However I think even with how much its evolved if they put out s1 morde it would be awful. He had the most uninteractive lane in history, he just instagibbed waves and camps until he hit 6 items and could legit 1v5 everyone. He didn't even need his team that much cause if you tried to pick him off he just killed you. His shield made it impossible to trade, he had decent ms, his ult did a million damage, he stole your ad, it was just a nightmare. Riot olaf'd him for 4 seasons to keep that from happening. Its good that they're trying to give him a new spin. Not once did I talk about after hard nerf morde, since he was completely useless, so don't try to derail with your "with all that bullshit right there, I think new morde is far more toxic than old morde ever was. you list me something that you think was a problem with his old kit, and I can list you something that can deal with it, the counterplay for it, how to build for it, and so forth."
Kaeblen2 votesI love this picture too:
Mordekaiser was so completely shafted, he can only cope now by drinking himself into a stupor. http://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=http%3A%2F%2Forig00.deviantart.net%2F8502%2Ff%2F2014%2F015%2F0%2Fa%2Fmordekaiser_is_no_longer__1_by_eltonel-d729tog.jpg&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425
A Miss Fortune7 votesWait is Mordekaiser actually being banned at Worlds?
AkabaneKun14 votes[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-10-01T23:55:59.646+0000)
Wait is Mordekaiser actually being banned at Worlds?
He was banned all games.
Blue Moon Wolf3 votesevery game by the sounds of it, people were too worried he was gonna ether: a) get picked solo lane and feed (not that the pros would pick him solo after his rework) b) get picked bot lane and wreck everyone
then you throw in that cheap fix riot tossed out before worlds and he gets that "unknown" factor to boot since they had little time to see how it affected him. It's likely pros just decided to ban him to avoid any issues he could present.
futuresight232 votes[{quoted}](name=Blue Moon Wolf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2015-10-02T01:34:42.717+0000)
every game by the sounds of it, people were too worried he was gonna ether: a) get picked solo lane and feed (not that the pros would pick him solo after his rework) b) get picked bot lane and wreck everyone
then you throw in that cheap fix riot tossed out before worlds and he gets that "unknown" factor to boot since they had little time to see how it affected him. It's likely pros just decided to ban him to avoid any issues he could present.
Odds are better that Mordekaiser would be picked by the top laner and the support just babysits him while the ADC solo farms a lane ideally against the enemy top laner. Putting ADCs in a solo lane is a common enough strategy as it is, particularly with ADCs that scale strongly with levels like Corki.
avarisce6 votesi hate that i ahve to play morde with a support now. lame
Auryiel5 votesAnd yet, funny enough, I bet even less people like him now than before
Scrimshäw4 votesyou put that picture on nearly 100% of your threads
Count Zubat3 votes[{quoted}](name=Treasure Goblin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-10-02T02:19:58.657+0000)
you put that picture on nearly 100% of your threads
Because it 100% represents the whole sittuation.
Scrimshäw1 votesthe situation being that mordekaiser enjoys tequila?
Count Zubat1 votes[{quoted}](name=Treasure Goblin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2015-10-02T20:48:50.693+0000)
the situation being that mordekaiser enjoys tequila?
Well, he is Brazilian, and tequila's quite popular alcohol in South America, so who knows?
fancifulHat1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord of Iwul,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G65KeIh3,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-02T20:51:57.791+0000)
Well, he is Brazilian, and tequila's quite popular alcohol in South America, so who knows?
It's probably cachaça.
Cosmic Warper2 votesHis kit is pretty average except for that disgusting Dragon gimmick ( and the rest of his ult) that basically wins the game for you. That's probably the main reason he's being banned: If morde's team is able to get even one dragon then they can get 2 or more towers uncontested and the enemy can't teamfight at all without losing even harder. Pair him with a strong utility comp and a top laner that can fend off splitpushing and he will win the game for you with that Dragon. It has no counterplay at all.
fancifulHat2 votesYeah, the novelty of the dragon ghost has really worn off; now I just find it frustrating.
Stars Shaper4 votesI've been telling this after the 3rd game with him.
Once all the "OMG IT'S A DRAGON!!!" hype wears off all you are left with is: "hit.. hit.. HIT!!!" hoping that last thing killed something.
Ekko is Bae2 votesI think its weird that mored is perma banned, but darius can be played in 50-75% in games
Stars Shaper1 votesIt will end shortly after he doesn't get banned and one of the less professional teams in the roster picks him thiking "this is going to be easy" just to get farmed to oblivion by any Supp with a minimum of CC.
