An In-depth look at the Nunu changes by one of the best Nunu players in North America

ChickenWrap··5 votes·890 views

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTOwRgQVwAAjwK5.jpg:large Oh. My. Goodness, Riot.

This is ridiculous, but in a good way.

What Riot has done is allowed Nuuu to:

  1. Be more useful to his ADCs with Blood Boil (most of them have some form of AP scaling (ASSUMING THEY BUILD AN ITEM THAT CAN GRANT THEM AP, OBVIOUSLY) )
  2. Be useful for his APC's (120-140 AP is nothing to scoff at!)
  3. Hold his own and actually be a damage threat to enemies once he reaches them (+55 bonus magic damage on his autos)
  4. Improves his primarily single-target clear and his level 3 Dragon and his 20 minutes Baron (yeah he can take Baron when it spawns at 20 with the correct items)
  5. Brought rise to hybrid Tanky-AP Nunu. Oh dear.

What Riot hasn't done with this buff:

  1. Allowed Nunu to stomp in lanes. Still very easy to counterpick
  2. Prevented Nunu from being pigeonholed (more or less) into getting 40-45% CDR for his Blood Boil (more important now than ever)
  3. Given Nunu the ability to kill other tanks

Nunu's new buffs will allow him to benefit his APC's when he has an ADC that doesn't benefit from AD, but also allows him to work more will ADC's that like casting over auto-attacking, because they also have AP ratios (Ezreal and Corki for example if they build an AP item) or champions who love auto-attacking and only get to use their spells a few times, but have hefty Ap ratios on them and build Guinsoo's (Varus or Kog'Maw, Tristana).

Yes, this could mean that ADC's might have to build a little differently, but most of them will at least get some AP and they'll benefit from it (Trinity Force on Ez/Corki, Guinsoo's on Kog/Varus). Let's not even get into the implications of what it does to Kayle.

Nunu himself will also be going through a lot of new build paths to find an optimal route. Personally, I'm starting to advocate the following build:

item 1413 / item 1409 > item 3047 > item 3027 > item 3065 > item 3110 / item 3025 > item 3151

This build allows Nunu to (not counting Runes bonuses):

Be Tanky ( 300 + 500 + 450 + 300 + 20% extra health > 1550 + 212 (Q stacks at level 18) + 352 (Cinderhulk) = 2114 + 2120 = 4234 HP ) Have some MR ( 55 MR + 53 base = 108 ) Have some Armour ( 30 + 100 or 65 = 130 or 95 + 88 base = 218 or 183 ) Have AP to allow your auto-attacks and Blood Boil to benefit from ( 100 + 80 + bonus W of 72 = 252 AP ) Deal constant 4% current health/second burn through Liandry's (Ice Blast slow lasts as long as its cooldown, movement impaired units take double burn damage)

So enemies can't escape if you're on top of them, you're hitting them with your bonus attack speed and AP for your 138 + 55 ( + 12.6 ) bonus magic damage per hit, attacking at, if the math checks out, 1.25 attacks per second, you have them perma-slowed with your E, dealing %current health damage every second, all the while, having Cinderhulk deal a nice 29 magic damage per second as well!

If you're worried about not being tanky enough, you can always swap out an item for Banshee's Veil or Abyssal Mask.

Guys, Tanky Hybrid Nunu is going to rock the rift to its core. It's not just about what he can do now, it's about what his team is going to be able to do now. And don't think I haven't forgotten about Enchanter supports. Those bonus utility percentages on shields and speed boosts are gross.

For those curious, Nunu can solo Baron right now with Cinderhulk, Tabi, and Spirit Visage with both smites and his potions. If you opt for the 20 minutes Baron, don't bother with RoA and get Banshee's Veil or something similar instead.

12 Comments

Colonel J2 votes

Nunu will still suck after these changes.

leakinb1 votes

But more competitive

Colonel J1 votes

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But more competitive

Sure but they will still suck.

Doozku1 votes

AP bruiser Nunu toplane. item 3027 item 3151 item 3115 (AP scaling + Attack speed on bloodboil + AP scaling on his consume autos now) and then either full tank or damage depending on the situation. I'm betting that its gonna be so good especially with comet snowball poke in lane you are going to be a better pantheon in lane but more useful lategame.

ChickenWrap1 votes

Debatable, it really depends on if you pick first or not. Nunu is incredibly easy to counter-pick and shut down. Plus he has to get up-close and personal to play on-hit (although I really want to play on-hit Nunu too), but once he's there, he's kind of vulnerable if he's too squishy, you know?

Doozku1 votes

Nunu is incredibly easy to counter-pick and shut down.

I'm not a Nunu player so I wouldn't know about his counters, what are some champs that counter Nunu so hard?

he's kind of vulnerable if he's too squishy, you know?

Which is why the first two items of the build give HP and why I suggest building tank on him after your core. I think a bigger problem would be if you still do enough damage to be relevant at that point.

on-hit

I wouldn't say its necessarily an on-hit build. You would take comet and max E first but later in the game you will max bloodboil second and at that point you should have your Nashor's so on top of helping an ADC you can probably get in some DPS yourself if you don't overextend and play smart. You could also always splitpush too since you will probably be hard to kill and do a bit of damage.

Ahristocats1 votes

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  1. Be more useful to his ADCs with Blood Boil (most of them have some form of AP scaling)

stopped here the changes do not give to adc flat ap btu %bonus ap

and no adc build ap

ChickenWrap1 votes

So you're saying that ADCs with AP-scaling don't sometimes build AP items, like Varus or Kog'Maw? Any ADC that makes good use of an item with some AP on it will benefit a lot more from blood boil now. Heck, you even play Mordekaiser, isn't he classified as an ADC, and doesn't he build AP?

You can "stop there" if you like, but I think it's a little too soon to discredit me. I was Diamond 1 too, you know.

Ahristocats1 votes

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So you're saying that ADCs with AP-scaling don't sometimes build AP items, like Varus or Kog'Maw?

varus builds lethality kog builds guinsoo i forgot that

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Mordekaiser,** isn't he classified as an ADC**, and doesn't he build AP?

He's a hybrid between a battle mage and a juggernaut

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it's a little too soon to discredit me.

i didn't discredit you i just didn't want to continue to read after this

i read the rest, but didn't understand anything cuz i don't play nunu

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I was Diamond 1 too, you know.

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ChickenWrap1 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G2h2cbuu,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-01-11T18:01:03.882+0000)

varus builds lethality kog builds guinsoo i forgot that

Guinsoo's Varus isn't bad though.

He's a hybrid between a battle mage and a juggernaut

But he plays in the ADC role, so what's your point.

i didn't discredit you i just didn't want to continue to read after this

i read the rest, but didn't understand anything cuz i don't play nunu

Then why even comment in the first place?

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Seems like you figure that because you're D2, you were going to discredit me based on the contents of your comment.

Ahristocats1 votes

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But he plays in the ADC role, so what's your point.

when i said no adc build ap, i meant marksmen just like you in your original post

Then why even comment in the first place?

because i saw something i could comment

Seems like you figure that because you're D2, you were going to discredit me based on the contents of your comment.

i'm D2 and was master last season twice, preseason is just fucked in high elo with autofilled players in every game and imbalanced matchmaking but idc anyway, you can be d1 you can be challenger you can be bronze i would comment in the same way

ChickenWrap1 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G2h2cbuu,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-11T18:10:55.646+0000)

when i said no adc build ap, i meant marksmen just like you in your original post

But that was wrong =(

because i saw something i could comment

Just because you can doesn't mean you should

i'm D2 and was master last season twice, preseason is just fucked in high elo with autofilled players in every game and imbalanced matchmaking but idc anyway, you can be d1 you can be challenger you can be bronze i would comment in the same way

I made D1 in March of last season and I stopped playing serious competitive after that. You're just discrediting something that you don't know anything about and that's kind of silly.

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