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Mastery/Rune Page Limit

Shroom Junkie·May 12, 2015·9 votes·1,817 views

Not sure if this goes here, but I can't think of anywhere else, so yeah... whatever.

So about the whole Mastery and Rune Page limit. Why is it there? Does it have to do with League servers, or do they just not want it being abused(like, having a mastery page for every character)?

Anyway, if there's no real reason, I don't see why its there. I mean, I don't know about anyone else, but I could sure use more Mastery pages. Bunch of characters that use pretty unique aspects.

Like, Yasuo and Gangplank. Pretty much the only two characters that use abilities with their basic attacks, have AD, and use critical strikes a lot. So, what other champs use Spell Weaving, Blade Weaving, Frenzy, and specifically use the AD tree? I can't think of any. Maybe Corki and Kog'Maw for Spell and Blade Weaving, and AD, but not the Frenzy.

Now, another example. Rumble. What other champs are like him? There's probably one or two, but I myself can't actually think of any or find any. He uses AP, he's melee and has his passive so he uses Spell and Blade weaving, as well as Arcane Blade(But a lot of AP champs use that). Like, maybe you could compare him to Teemo or Kayle, but they still have a lot of differences.

Either way, there are a lot of different types of champs, a lot of champion-specific aspects, and if we're being honest here, masteries and runes could literally save your life by the small amounts of damage, attack speed, cooldown reduction, and so on that they give you.

16 Comments

FantasySniperMay 12, 20153 votes

For masteries, it isn't even a big deal, most pages overlap heavily, and you can set it up within the time that the match starts.

For runes, you need to actually have to be prepared instead of stacking the select few stats that you need that game. Matchups influence it heavily, and makes the difference between perLv runes and flats.

Daedalus871May 12, 20152 votes

I get the limited Mastery pages because you can, and ideally are changing them to fit the current game.

But I see no reason why Rune pages are limited.

NorthernDruidMay 12, 20151 votes

Especially the mastery page limit could be well served by being a lot higher. They keep releasing new champions and as far as I can gather the limit hasn't changed in years.

Masteries are more important here then runes IMO, for several reasons.

Firstly, masteries are a lot specific than runes, because masteries mostly sync up with champion kits (especially the offensive tree) whereas Runes really sync up more with items (since they cover simpler stats whereas masteries are more lined up with stuff like autoattacking a lot, or mana regen and such).

Masteries are free, runes aren't. Runes cost IP, meaning they take longer time to branch out, meaning that for new players the need for mastery pages expand with each champion you pick up, whereas the need for more rune pages scale much more slowly.

There's also the point of being able to make more mastery pages for other game modes. I'm much less likely to need certain masteries in ARAM or Dominion (specifically the ones which helps your single target minion damage and rewards your CS) simply because in those modes they're not very useful.

But yeah, both masteries and runes need a higher cap for max # of pages. Especially masteries, seeing as even two relatively similar Champions might require different mastery pages (like one with spell/blade weaving and cdr and arcane blade vs an identical page with spell/blade weaving and attack speed but with expose weakness or double edged sword instead of arcane blade).

The restrictive max number of pages probably works fine on a high level of play, especially pro play where you specialize into only one role, since the further up you go the more important and higher the benefit of specialization into a relatively small champion pool. When you only have to worry about picking from a pool of your 25-30 most played champions then pegging down mastery pages that fit your needs for all of them ought to be doable.

When you're sampling periodically from the entire 120+ roster, things get a little bit more tricky.

Making pages that fit 3-5 champions well isn't a real problem.

Making pages that fit 5-8 is often quite a bit more tricky.

P.S.

Another reason why more mastery pages are needed as Riot releases new champions, is that newer champions have more complex kits, so they're less likely to synergize well with the same page as other champions. As kits get more diverse and unique, more and more cases of "yeah this page also fits this Champion, except I want those points in CDR instead of spell/blade weaving and that point in more AP instead of arcane blade."

Shroom JunkieMay 12, 20151 votes

pls rito at least RAISE the mastery limit ;-;

LazyGlueMay 12, 20151 votes

Just create 19 pages for the main champions you play and if you arent playing one of those champions clear the 20th page and choose depending on the game/champion??? Really not that difficult.

Shroom JunkieMay 12, 20151 votes

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Just create 19 pages for the main champions you play and if you arent playing one of those champions clear the 20th page and choose depending on the game/champion??? Really not that difficult.

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Ok, I don't understand why people are complaining about this so heavily. Rune pages can be built to have a 2-4 general pages per role, with then a few pages for Champion specific pages. And as far as masteries are concerned, each person only needs 1 page. There is enough time to build a new one every game, and make sure that it is champion specific.

But hey, that's just my 2 cents. But I will admit I do have several pre-built mastery pages.

Unless you're playing Draft pick and you're not last pick, its generally pretty hard to get a whole page slapped together while still paying attention to everything going on in the matchmaking. Aside from that, I generally just think its easier to pick a page specific to said champ(and maybe a few others) and stick with it. Much easier and allows for more communication in the character selection, though I will admit its good for making masteries specific to your enemy.

disregardableMay 12, 20153 votes

Did you know you can use your scroll wheel to add masteries faster? Also, don't insta-lock when you pick your champion, just let it sit.

Shroom JunkieMay 12, 20152 votes

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Did you know you can use your scroll wheel to add masteries faster?

Really? Neat. I'll try that some time.

Angry MonsterMay 12, 20151 votes

you should be able to slap a mastery page in under 20 sec. Considering you have a 60 sec champ timer and a 60 countdown for swaps, you should have plenty of time.

Scadu NAMay 12, 20151 votes

Ok, I don't understand why people are complaining about this so heavily. Rune pages can be built to have a 2-4 general pages per role, with then a few pages for Champion specific pages. And as far as masteries are concerned, each person only needs 1 page. There is enough time to build a new one every game, and make sure that it is champion specific.

But hey, that's just my 2 cents. But I will admit I do have several pre-built mastery pages.

FedAsFukMay 12, 20151 votes

As for frenzy most AA reliant ADCs can benefit from it, Draven for example

Angry MonsterMay 12, 20151 votes

i write up a new mastery page every game. I only make a 2nd if i am fooling around with a concept or i want a friend to be able to look at my pages as a reference.

I am pretty sure you can have at least 40 champs primed with 20 rune pages. Most generic pages cover 95% of the champs anyways. Also your champ pool should not be more than 20 champs for real play.

Most high teir player when being serious have 5 champs they are serious about and then skill falls off from their. Lower elo players probably cant even keep 5 at top tier shape.

SerageMay 12, 20151 votes

More rune pages please! I need 10-12 pages for akali... :( I would have much more (for every matchup) if there were more pages...

The Bearded BardMay 12, 20151 votes

Back in my day you could only have ten mastery pages.

Shroom JunkieMay 12, 20151 votes

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Back in my day you could only have ten mastery pages.

I assume, back then, you only maybe 50 champions and even less types as well.

Elderwood LilyMay 12, 20151 votes

Whats the point of a limitation ? ._. i don't get it. Like why would you limit mastery pages

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