Gut Urgot

Bultz··3 votes·1,380 views

He is absolutely toxic. Tank/juggernaut build with adc level speed on his gun and a free kill ult? Yeah this dude needs his numbers lowered way down to the bottom. On top of all of that, his shield is super toxic too. Like the kit is over tuned and highly toxic to play against.

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Kazekiba6 votes

Gut Darius

He is absolutely toxic. Tank/juggernaut build with auto resets and a DoT, Fed carry level AD on his passive and a free resetting nuke ult? Yeah this dude needs his numbers lowered way down to the bottom. On top of all of that, his self-heal is super toxic too. Like the kit is over tuned and highly toxic to play against.

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Gut Darius

He is absolutely toxic. Tank/juggernaut build with auto resets and a DoT, Fed carry level AD on his passive and a free resetting nuke ult? Yeah this dude needs his numbers lowered way down to the bottom. On top of all of that, his self-heal is super toxic too. Like the kit is over tuned and highly toxic to play against.

What about rework:

Only Q would give him stacks for each champion that was hit, so stacks would be on him not on enemy and each stack would give you bonus immediately instead of after full stack. Number of stacks would change to fit the rework and R would be replaced for some utility/ or some like jax's R since Darius sometime struggle before he can even fully stack his passive. I personally think that toxic part of his kit is that he can nuke you from 100 to 0 in one trade and can stack his passive quite easily. He should be antitank not antimelee, so he should be more independent on passive, as strong as he is now with it but less oppressive more fights without it and making it possible that he outlast until he gets it.

Kazekiba1 votes

Tanks are Anti-Darius, not the other way around. D Shield + high natural regen and a bramble vest hurts Darius' potency drastically because of his reliance on at least 2 autos (aa+W reset) to stack his passive. on top of that the only counter to True damage... is lots of health. melee fighters and shorter range mages (rumble, Ryze, Viktor) should struggle against Darius while Vayne and Maokai should roll over him.

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Tanks are Anti-Darius, not the other way around. D Shield + high natural regen and a bramble vest hurts Darius' potency drastically because of his reliance on at least 2 autos (aa+W reset) to stack his passive. on top of that the only counter to True damage... is lots of health. melee fighters and shorter range mages (rumble, Ryze, Viktor) should struggle against Darius while Vayne and Maokai should roll over him.

That's really short sighted of you. Saying that tanks have it easier to not die equals to ability to overcome darius and that bramble vest on tanks guts darius... ( which isn't even true, its warden's mail you are talking about ) They have it way harder to kill him than easier to not be killed compared to bruisers and skirmishers and so what that warden's mail make it harder to git one more aa when he can force fight to compensate for time he lost due to mail and get even more aa in the end than he would against high mobility champions? And you didn't even answered to my rework idea. I have played against him as much as I played as him while you did not, you don't even play top so much which results in what you are saying + I don't like talking about divisions since a lot of ppl are boosted, but you are iron and bronze 4, that's a bit too extreme for someone who should be at least a little bit capable to speak about something .( I'm not saying that what you say is less true than what would say higher elo player, when it is tue, but chance that u will say what is true is way smaller despite how much u want it to be true) Maybe you are smurfing troll, who knows?

AlterMordred1 votes

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What about rework:

Only Q would give him stacks for each champion that was hit, so stacks would be on him not on enemy and each stack would give you bonus immediately instead of after full stack. Number of stacks would change to fit the rework and R would be replaced for some utility/ or some like jax's R since Darius sometime struggle before he can even fully stack his passive. I personally think that toxic part of his kit is that he can nuke you from 100 to 0 in one trade and can stack his passive quite easily. He should be antitank not antimelee, so he should be more independent on passive, as strong as he is now with it but less oppressive more fights without it and making it possible that he outlast until he gets it.

Darius isnt anti melee at all though? Most melee champions can beat Darius provided they know what they are doing (And if they take ignite they can 1v1 Darius early game.

Examples are pretty much, Fiora with ignite beats Darius if she parries his E or dodges his Q with her Q Garen if he pokes Darius down a bit with Q then all ins with ignite Irelia if she dodges Darius Q with her own and hits her E Renekton shits on Darius after level 3 especially with ignite Tryndamere shits on Darius if he dodges his Q especially with ignite Jax shits on Darius if he dodges his Q especially with ignite Kled shits on Darius if he hits his own Q cause the healing debuff is op, especially with ignite Mordekaiser if he hits a few early Q's he has the potential to all in Darius especially with ignite, out scales Darius extremely hard Riven shits on Darius if she dodges his Q especially with ignite, eventually buys deaths dance and perma wins Nocturne (weird champ but ive seen it played top alot) this guy beats Darius in every way early game, he can just run you down and spell shield your E or Q, if he has ignite your chances of winning as 0 if your the Darius Pantheon shits on Darius if he dodges his Q especially with ignite Olaf shits on Darius especially with ignite Ornn my counterpick to Darius, if you use your unstoppable during Darius pull and take ignite you stomp him, once you reach level 12 you should have around 300 armor and Darius shouldnt kill you as long as the fight isnt longer than 15ish seconds (otherwise you deserve to die) Malphite arcane comet Q spam and all in at 6 with ignite

Yea thats about it, these are the most popular melee champions toplane, I can mention ranged champions shitting on Darius but this is about melee. If you dodge Darius's Q you will win if he isnt ahead, its really that simple, flash into it, run into it run out of it, doesnt really matter. Tanks do struggle against Darius and normally lose to him unless the tank player is really good but thats just how Darius is designed, if you want a toxic toplaner that insta wins vs melee/tanks feel free to lock at Vayne, the main advice I get when I ask how to beat her is 'ask the jungler to gank', ok cool thanks.

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Darius isnt anti melee at all though? Most melee champions can beat Darius provided they know what they are doing (And if they take ignite they can 1v1 Darius early game.

Examples are pretty much, Fiora with ignite beats Darius if she parries his E or dodges his Q with her Q Garen if he pokes Darius down a bit with Q then all ins with ignite Irelia if she dodges Darius Q with her own and hits her E Renekton shits on Darius after level 3 especially with ignite Tryndamere shits on Darius if he dodges his Q especially with ignite Jax shits on Darius if he dodges his Q especially with ignite Kled shits on Darius if he hits his own Q cause the healing debuff is op, especially with ignite Mordekaiser if he hits a few early Q's he has the potential to all in Darius especially with ignite, out scales Darius extremely hard Riven shits on Darius if she dodges his Q especially with ignite, eventually buys deaths dance and perma wins Nocturne (weird champ but ive seen it played top alot) this guy beats Darius in every way early game, he can just run you down and spell shield your E or Q, if he has ignite your chances of winning as 0 if your the Darius Pantheon shits on Darius if he dodges his Q especially with ignite Olaf shits on Darius especially with ignite Ornn my counterpick to Darius, if you use your unstoppable during Darius pull and take ignite you stomp him, once you reach level 12 you should have around 300 armor and Darius shouldnt kill you as long as the fight isnt longer than 15ish seconds (otherwise you deserve to die) Malphite arcane comet Q spam and all in at 6 with ignite

Yea thats about it, these are the most popular melee champions toplane, I can mention ranged champions shitting on Darius but this is about melee. If you dodge Darius's Q you will win if he isnt ahead, its really that simple, flash into it, run into it run out of it, doesnt really matter. Tanks do struggle against Darius and normally lose to him unless the tank player is really good but thats just how Darius is designed, if you want a toxic toplaner that insta wins vs melee/tanks feel free to lock at Vayne, the main advice I get when I ask how to beat her is 'ask the jungler to gank', ok cool thanks.

You don't know that much about lol, do you? I have more experience of lol in 2 champions than you have in VERY FIRST 35 champions including: Twitch, Leona and evelynn. I have always laughed when someone picked vayne against my fiora until one game I met vayne so good that I couldnt even touch her. She poked me just like that and when I tried to Q into her she pushed me back and when I parried it she just dodged it and all in wasn't and option due to footwork rune and minions in both as farm and backup and then because of BOTRK and I didn't have it sure that I would at least force her to go back but I still won that game. I also know how it is to play against 70K Diamond 3 darius, sure I could win this one lane fight but he won on ignite with 20 hp left then I did mistake and died near my tower because of 2 levels gap ( he got sixth lvl while I was still lvl four) then I got camped under tower and in that point the game was already irreversible. You lack great amount of experience... And fk this board and whoever made it work how it works, it made me to write this twice because page reloaded due to some stupid sh;t. ( Hope I didn't forget about any details)

AlterMordred1 votes

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You don't know that much about lol, do you? I have more experience of lol in 2 champions than you have in VERY FIRST 35 champions including: Twitch, Leona and evelynn. I have always laughed when someone picked vayne against my fiora until one game I met vayne so good that I couldnt even touch her. She poked me just like that and when I tried to Q into her she pushed me back and when I parried it she just dodged it and all in wasn't and option due to footwork rune and minions in both as farm and backup and then because of BOTRK and I didn't have it sure that I would at least force her to go back but I still won that game. I also know how it is to play against 70K Diamond 3 darius, sure I could win this one lane fight but he won on ignite with 20 hp left then I did mistake and died near my tower because of 2 levels gap ( he got sixth lvl while I was still lvl four) then I got camped under tower and in that point the game was already irreversible. You lack great amount of experience... And fk this board and whoever made it work how it works, it made me to write this twice because page reloaded due to some stupid sh;t. ( Hope I didn't forget about any details)

Our op.gg's say everything my friend

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Our op.gg's say everything my friend

What do you mean? That what is written there is absolute truth and you dont need experience or what?

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Our op.gg's say everything my friend

sry, your not kazekiba :D

Now, Im gonna hung myself..

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Why both of you have blue color if icon?

iiGazeii5 votes

You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means.

AlterMordred1 votes

Isnt Urgot already gutted lmao

MikeJ122O1 votes

Urgot isn't OP in anyway. His weakness is being immobile. There are plenty of champs that counter Urgot like Tryn, Rammus, Yorick, Gangplank. An item like QSS is an easy counter to his ult.

Conquerer is already being nerfed for next patch and that will affect Urgot.

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Well, whatever, what I said about that vayne and darius is still true and that what you said is: " They sh;t on him when they outplay him." + that they have to have ignite in your own logic + when its fiora and darius, she still has to respect that she isn't earlygame champ unlike darius so she avoids battles after lvl 6 until she has almost whole item or until darius give her situational advantage...

And I would like to know your opinion on my idea beside your advocating that darius isn't earlygame melee counter.

ThunderCraft1 votes

urgot already got guted by garen so no.

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urgot already got guted by garen so no.

That there are one or two counterpicks doesnt mean that he is gutted, he is still a beast on all stages of the game so that he is 1/4 sometime doesnt mean a sh;t..

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