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I honestly think it's time for ekko and jhin to just be removed.

adidas··8 votes·845 views

It's obvious now, even if you love playing ekko or hate him or dont mind him, you can't deny the fact that hes not a champion that can be balanced.

AP ekko was extremely strong, His blink would honestly erase almost any squishy champion. He becomes tank ekko and boom massive balance issues, Starts mixing the bruiser builds and his ratios have to be decreased almost every single patch. Boom now we have AD ekko.

This champ is not something that can be fixed. He needs to have something completely removed from his kit. Listen. This isnt a rant this is a honest balance issue the whole community is having with ekko.

Riot, You need to remove something from him. Not numbers. You have to blast through his tankiness and go through his GA and his Ult and any shields he receives, He literally consumes so much resources for one champion.

As for Jhin.... Anyone with a braincell in their brain should know by now that Jhins ult was made for executing people for having low health, Not 100-0ing squishy champions and able to 1v1 near anyone because his burst is so incredibly high....

I dont think i know one sane person that can say Jhin is balanced.

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Girard2 votes

I love it how people consistently say all these things about Ekko being busted and whatnot, how it's his kit. Anyone notice that he wasn't a problem going tanky when keystones WEREN'T a thing? He had 10 solid patches of no problems (aside from the 'Luden's Ekko' thing) yet once season 6 rolled around it's been nothing but tank Ekko this, tank Ekko that.

Troy2426211 votes

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I love it how people consistently say all these things about Ekko being busted and whatnot, how it's his kit. Anyone notice that he wasn't a problem going tanky when keystones WEREN'T a thing? He had 10 solid patches of no problems (aside from the 'Luden's Ekko' thing) yet once season 6 rolled around it's been nothing but tank Ekko this, tank Ekko that.

Ekko was made by a designer with very little experience, and it shows, I'm afraid. If Ekko isn't a bad design, my ass is a banjo.

The Last Ballad1 votes

Question. Can you play songs on it, or is it just tuneless strumming?

Ekko's design isn't bad, the exicution of said design was bad. A utility assassin isn't something that has been done in other games(to my knowledge) so the chances of them doing it right the first time is low. Personally, a utility assassin says "can easily set up kills for others or take them for himself, but not both", like an assassin Leona. Having the choice of giving a kill to another(maybe a something like Leona's e, but instead of dragging the castor to the target, the option to jump to the target could be given to an ally(activated by right click or somesuch))

But having someone have 3 different ways of slowing, a long stun, a shield, a escape panic button(or a planned ambush), and two back to back mobility spells in addition to a massive ms boost(try stormriders surge aswell for zoomy zoom), is a bit too much. Thereby, the utility assassin design isn't bad, but the execution is(or at least could use some toning down).

Handy Sandy 1 votes

Woah..someone that made a post about balance and actually has proof! WTF?? LETS DOWNVOTE HIM HE'S SANE!! I agree, jhin and ekko NEED some changes badly. I heard ekko is getting some changes in the assassin rework though.

Cynikul1 votes

"actually has proof"

I lol'd.

Borkahn1 votes

Ekko is (wait for it) .....an ASSASSIN! He's meant to burst, as you call it, SQUISHIES. And you sound like you just watched TSM vs C9 and if you notice, Ekko got to the backline on a , you guessed it, SQUISHY target in Velkoz. It's no different from a Fizz or any other assassin getting back there. And if you watched, Impact did a good job of shutting him down in one of the games as Gnar.

Now on to Jhin. Jhin can also be consider an assassin. He has high damage late game, and his trade off is low mobility. If you are not abusing this in the early and mid game, it's your fault. And believe it or not, Jhin is the same as Katarina, Velkoz, and so many others that channel an ult. A simple bard ult or knockup, stun, silence, basically any form of hard cc will cancel his ult and he just lost so much damage.

Before commenting on nerfs needing to happen, make sure you observe that there aren't legitimate ways to counter the problems.

Troy2426211 votes

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Ekko is (wait for it) .....an ASSASSIN!

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Borkahn1 votes

Again, CC. And believe it or not, Armor pen. I can't tell you how many times I've looked at adcs and wondered why they go for armor pen as a last item. Armor pen and Magic pen can easily take him down. I really don't have problems with ekko's. Maybe it's because I talk with my team and we discuss how we can bring him down.

adidas1 votes

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Again, CC. And believe it or not, Armor pen. I can't tell you how many times I've looked at adcs and wondered why they go for armor pen as a last item. Armor pen and Magic pen can easily take him down. I really don't have problems with ekko's. Maybe it's because I talk with my team and we discuss how we can bring him down.

Are you seriously trying to defend ekko in his current state?

You mean building triforce then going straight tank and having the ability to 1 combo any squishy champ while having an ult that puts you back 4 seconds ago + heals + GA + Highly debated as most mobile champion in the game + AOE stun if timed properly and a low CD ranged slow harass with 3 hit movement speed + % health passive is healthy?

If there is a person that seriously is defending ekko saying hes ''weak'' or ''has counterplay'' Excuse my langauage they can go fuck themselves for being idiotic as hell.

Theres not a single person from unranked to LCS ranking that can say ''ekko is fine''. No hes an issue for this game as a whole.

Borkahn1 votes

All I'm hearing is whining.....learn to beat him. It's not that difficult

Targon1 votes

I used to love Ekko's design but it's been abused by building him as a tanky assassin and bruiser that I've started to frequntly ban him because he's a pain to deal with. Something in his kit definitely needs to be removed. Ekko needs to either be classed as a fighter/tank or as an fighter/assassin by removing certain aspects of his kit so that either of these roles feel fairer to play against. If he's going to be a fighter/tank then I think they should remove the 80% AP bonus damage on his 3-hit passive and reduce the AP ratios on his Q and R. If he's going to be a fighter/assassin then I think they should remove the slow on his Q, remove/reduce the shield from his W OR remove the heal from his ultimate.

OneMustFall1 votes

The only problem with Ekko now is he's too weak so people are building him tanky so he's even weaker but doesn't die as much. Increase his AP ratios a little bit and he's totally where he should be. Right now Tank Ekko has a lower winrate than AP Ekko cause it's total garbage.

Ahristocats1 votes

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AP ekko was extremely strong, His blink would honestly erase almost any squishy champion.

good thing that this was removed right? i mean his E was never nerfed straight but ok

SouL1ess1 votes

AP ekko was extremely strong, His blink would honestly erase almost any squishy champion.

Gimme some of that weed please

That's like if Brand hits you with 1 Pillar of Flame you die instantly

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