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AD Casters/Assassin Itemization

Goosetard··1 votes·547 views

For the last two patches, Riot has said that the itemization for AD assassins got worse (hence buffs to zed, potential buffs to khazix, riven(??!?)). I'm afraid I don't understand what they mean. To quote the recent patch notes: "Anyone playing attack-damage champions that don’t synergise with crit or attack speed is feeling a little sad these days." But...

  • Didn't item 3142 get a happier build path and lose the unattractive critical strike stat?
  • Didn't item 3156 improve substantially as a mid-game purchase?
  • Didn't item 3077 get cheaper (although less potent) and the swap between item 3074 and item 3748 enable more flexibility towards late game?
  • Didn't item 3035 get cheaper (although less potent) but with great build paths involving item 3123 and item 3034 ?
  • Didn't item 3139 improve to the point of being a core element of an AD assassin/caster build?
  • Isn't item 3812 a complete boon for casters, who can now spellvamp effectively and enjoy added durability?
  • Aren't item 3158, long a potent item on casters, better/cheaper in every respect?
  • Didn't item 3071 and item 3153 (until this patch) remain untouched?

I'm not trying to argue I'm legitimately confused by the attitude towards AD assassins/casters, especially since several of them don't use mana, and mana champs have a slightly harder life now.

10 Comments

Indominus Blade4 votes

Bork got nerfed, cleaver got changed, brutalizer removed, last whisper gutted, AD casters/Assassins got hit hard.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Bork got nerfed, cleaver got changed, brutalizer removed, last whisper gutted, AD casters/Assassins got hit hard.

cleavers stats improved or assassins though. still a good combination of cdr and ad. ghostblades change had little impact, as more ad = more spell damage for less crit on auto attacks.

cleaver is just so goddamn expensive.

ProfDrDeath1 votes

Cleaver really could use another item 1036 in its build path.

Darth Valer2 votes

There's nothing that replaced Last Whisper, basically. It allowed to pierce through squishies' base armor for a cheap price and hugely increased their burst in the mid-late game. item 3071 item 3139 item 3812 , although pretty good, favor sustained damage over burst and that's not really an Assassin thing.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/yYBm9rXq-i-honestly-love-the-changes-placed-in-however-i-as-well-as-many-have-a-few-suggestions

19+20 would be great.

ForgiveColour1 votes

lol

Dreadlocks1 votes

Mostly because Brutilizer got removed, which was 3 stats that assassins/casters generally like, and the change to last whisper. Between those 2 items being changed/removed, they do suffer.

Goosetard1 votes

I guess I incorrectly figured most of the reduced prices and changes to other relevant items made up for it. Thanks for the responses.

ProfDrDeath1 votes

You're only looking at completed items. Old Brutalizer, which was like, THE crutch item for AD assassins in the early game, was removed and split into two items, depriving ADs of their 1337 gold spike. While Dirk and Warhammer are cheaper, they don't offer the same three-fold synergy Brutalizer had on a single item.

Last Whisper no longer is a general purpose damage increasing item, either, but has been moved to specifically work against armor-stackers. And it even doesn't work too well against them, either...

I suspect that in the long run, all AD casters will need some tuning to make up for the loss of Brutalizer in regard to their early strength.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/yYBm9rXq-i-honestly-love-the-changes-placed-in-however-i-as-well-as-many-have-a-few-suggestions

19+20 would fix alot of the problems atm

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