We have a global nuke, global reveal, and global heal, but no global CC?

darkdill·Sep 4, 2018·2 votes·1,605 views

Karthus has global damage with Requiem, Twisted Fate has a global reveal with Destiny, and Soraka has Wish to global heal. But unless I'm not thinking of someone, there's no one who can do a global CC. And no, I do not mean Ashe's arrow, as that has global range, but isn't a Karthus-style ultimate. And while Nocturne kinda does this, Nearsight is just not the same as a silence or root.

I'm bringing this up because I've just gone a few rounds against Mephisto in HotS, and he gets a nuke, reveal, AND slow all rolled into one global ult. OUCH. Then again, there's no item system, so it's much easier to balance, and I haven't seen it being stupidly OP so far.

Would a global CC be too obnoxious or game-breaking? Or could it be balanced by, say, long CD and a wind-up?

20 Comments

DrCyanideSep 4, 201810 votes

Karthus item 3116 There, Global CC.

darkdillSep 4, 20181 votes

[sg-ahri-3] Not good enough!

BeatzBoyFTWSep 5, 20181 votes

Then that's your issue. Live with it.

ForFoxSakesSep 4, 20185 votes

Gangplank R slows everyone in it

We dont need or want an R that auto stuns every single enemy anywhere on the map

Critmaster GarenSep 4, 20183 votes

it depends how its handled. direct targeted would be cancer beyond belief and probably broken.

but a global version of Xerath ult, a delayed skillshot with not too much of an area, that roots or silences when it hits would be doable imo.

darkdillSep 4, 20181 votes

So something like Diablo's Apocalypse?

Critmaster GarenSep 4, 20181 votes

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So something like Diablo's Apocalypse?

havent played HotS so i cant really tell.

Sire HippingtonSep 4, 20181 votes

delayed aoe stun that is centered underneath every opponent, easy to avoid on it's own, but strong followup and also decent vs groups as the different aoes overlap and make it hard to dodge from thos in the middle of the group.

Still don't think it'd be a good idea in lol, very easy to exploit for coordinated teams.

L RayquazaSep 4, 20183 votes

TwistedFate ult on release was a global reveal with a 30% slow and his allies got bonus crit chance when attacking champs affected by it. Dont warry about the warp, it was on his e with a 40 second CD

DuskDaUmbreonSep 4, 20182 votes

Global abilities tend to be problematic because they can be broken or useless - Or both, at the same time.

TF's ultimate is primarily used for the teleport, and the vision is just an extra little bonus. Karthus's ult has been kinda shit on by the fact that there's hundreds of ways to negate his ult available to every class but crit marksmen. Soraka suffers for her ult's strength in the rest of her kit.

It could be done (kinda already has with Nocturne , actually), but it has a lot of problems going into it.

darkdillSep 4, 20181 votes

Crit marksmen can kinda counter Karthus with item 3026 . It doesn't lower the damage, but it means his killshot won't have the result he wants.

Weiss GuertenaSep 4, 20181 votes

Twisted Fate's ultimate actually did slow back in beta (it didn't teleport tho, that was a separate ability). And it was broken as all hell, but then again pretty much everything was broken back then.

AlzonSep 4, 20181 votes

Nocturne’s ult generates a ton of Crowd Control Score for him in the stats screen.

darkdillSep 4, 20181 votes

Maybe so, but I'm more talking about something like a global silence or global root.

KoKobotoSep 4, 20181 votes

I think Nocturne's global nearsight is actually really powerful. Teemo shrooms?

darkdillSep 4, 20181 votes

Teemo shrooms doesn't count as a global ultimate in terms of what we're discussing. But they are a painintheass.

rtbf221651412Sep 4, 20181 votes

Soraka item 3504

Global Buff too before you bring that up.

KhristophorosSep 4, 20181 votes

Twisted Fate's R was originally a global slow + reveal, and it didn't speed up the Gate cast time (which was a normal ability on his kit) The problem was that there are all these undesirable collateral effects with a global slow or CC. Most of the time you cause inconvenience and frustration to players who you aren't targeting and aren't involved in whatever you're using the ability for. That's already annoying with Karthus' ult but it's a lot worse when it's CC.

I've played a DotA-like map on WC3 that had a global stun and it was even worse. It was just the dumbest thing.

DotA originally had a global "Time Stop" ability (it was a global stun which stunned both allies and enemies IIRC) but it was reworked into Chronosphere, presumably to get rid of the extraneous collateral frustration it caused to unninvolved players.

KlydeFrogSep 5, 20181 votes

I had made a suggestion about taking varus ult and making it similar to this. Like bards ult

RanmiakuSep 5, 20181 votes

ashe has global cc, if there was global point and click cc in the game, i would immediately uninstall, theres already too much point and click hard cc in this game