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Why is Blitzcrank in the game?

52409615_DEL··2 votes·732 views

I'm tired of Blitz Blitzcrank for 3 season now, it doesn't matter how much i practice AD or how many skill shots i dodge, it doesn't matter if the blitz missed 25 hooks all lane, because that 1 time he lands it with that BS I-blitz skin, that i would argue the Q didn't even land half the time, but the skin makes it hard to tell, he lands 1 hook and i always lose. Seriously this is what decides my lane every Blitz game, even if i dodge all hooks if nami Nami gets hooked once, draven snowballs my lane from it, it's really frustrating because we already have Thresh....Thresh is cool, why do we need blitz?

When Thresh goes in he has to put himself in actual danger, this would make sense if thresh was supper tanky and Blitz was not, but Blitz is also tanky and deals A LOT of damage with his ult. I'm playing this game were im already getting camped by an Evelynn that i can't see half the time, and even staying under the fucking turret doesn't work cause blitz can just keep throwing hooks, and it doesn't even matter if he keeps missing them repeatedly, the one time he lands it will be an insta free kill. im sick of this game, i feel like a support is always what decides my lane, rarely the enemy AD. I feel like the ADC role has just grown so frustrating, we have no impact all game and seem to rely on our support for everything now... Last season i was doing great, 800k+ mastery points on Vayne apparently now makes me bad, cause for some reason i can't win games now that i actually have the experience, doesn't do anything for me, i still lose in the end because of the same things, either a heavy cc engage Leona Malphite or a Blitz hook. And before someone tells me he isn't good in the pro scene, 1 - idc the game shouldn't be balanced just based on the pro scene and 2 - that's not true because i have seen him in high elo play and in the LCS, the Balista combo won CLG that game, so it does happen and pros do ge hooked to.

I understand that he can't hit hooks through minions, but that's not even the problem, it's the pressure that just having a blitz in your lane causes, to start, if the enemy has a blitz i feel like my game is coin toss, i just kind of die inside and feel like not playing the game before it even loads. then, just by this thing being in the lane, i have to position and farm in a very odd/particular way, to avoid hooks, causing me to lose cs and often just get poked more often by the enemy AD, and if the claw machine sees space between the creep wave, i could get hooked across the wave, while they move. The realiable method i have found is to Q with a morgana main Morgana, but 1 - that's not reliable and 2 - why do i need to always depend on my sup to do well man, that makes this game boring, i feel like in general this season my role as an ADC has been "second support or "siege equipment", i don't cary anything or deal significant damage till so late in the game, i might as well mid and jg, which i have been WAY more successful at with 1/10th of the practice, gee i wonder why. I just really like playing AD and i want to make it work, it just feels so weak and impossible though if you don't play an early game AD, late game AD's don't see the light ever.

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ThugWalrus1 votes

  1. all of blitz's power is basically located in 1 ability, with all his other abilities more or less being reliant on hitting the hook. Because his other abilities are fairly weak, it justifies having a lot of power.

  2. His hook has a delay making it possible to dodge and is also heavily telegraphed by how he is moving (or when he activates w).

  3. Counterplay exists to blitz hook beyond dodging it. For example, hiding behind minions.

4)Blitz is a one trick pony which puts him at a disadvantage. He can literally do one thing, and that is hook people. This makes blitz a very weak champ from behind as he can't really help kite, or peel so much.

  1. there exists plenty of counters in champion kits to blitz hook. Sivir shield, morg binding, ezreal phase shift, tristana jump. Those are just direct counters, not to mention the various dashes that make dodging the hook pretty easy.

  2. Blitz hook has the power to backfire heavily, often making it high risk high reward. For example hooking the swain or braum into your team. There is no going back with a blitz hook like a thresh hook (where he has the option to go in or not)

  3. Blitz, although he is not a very dynamic champion, is still very fun to play and many players enjoy his ability to make big plays style. Not every champion is meant to be a bastion of balance and are instead meant to be fun (like shaco, or tryndamere). Not that I think blitz is unbalanced, but he definitely falls into the "fun" not the "competitive" category.

Defended2 votes

{quoted}

  1. all of blitz's power is basically located in 1 ability, with all his other abilities more or less being reliant on hitting the hook. Because his other abilities are fairly weak, it justifies having a lot of power.

  2. His hook has a delay making it possible to dodge and is also heavily telegraphed by how he is moving (or when he activates w).

  3. Counterplay exists to blitz hook beyond dodging it. For example, hiding behind minions.

4)Blitz is a one trick pony which puts him at a disadvantage. He can literally do one thing, and that is hook people. This makes blitz a very weak champ from behind as he can't really help kite, or peel so much.

  1. there exists plenty of counters in champion kits to blitz hook. Sivir shield, morg binding, ezreal phase shift, tristana jump. Those are just direct counters, not to mention the various dashes that make dodging the hook pretty easy.

  2. Blitz hook has the power to backfire heavily, often making it high risk high reward. For example hooking the swain or braum into your team. There is no going back with a blitz hook like a thresh hook (where he has the option to go in or not)

  3. Blitz, although he is not a very dynamic champion, is still very fun to play and many players enjoy his ability to make big plays style. Not every champion is meant to be a bastion of balance and are instead meant to be fun (like shaco, or tryndamere). Not that I think blitz is unbalanced, but he definitely falls into the "fun" not the "competitive" category.

''Blitz power is basically located in 1 ability''

You sure about that? http://i.imgur.com/Sxs05hA.jpg[/img]

Last i checked one hook combo = 70% of my health.

Last i checked he has a knockup - AOE silence - Pull/stun displacement

How is that ''1 ability''..?

ThugWalrus1 votes

His w is essentially a set up for his hook and is also one of the only "self-harming" abilities in the game. His single target knock up is mostly only effective directly after landing a hook, and is not that strong of an ability on its own. His ult is one of the most underwhelming ults in the entire game. If you compare it to the ults of many other champs it doesn't even have close to the same kind of power. Also his ult is very hard to set up in the first place as to use the aoe silence effectively you have to run into the middle of the enemy team with no gap closer, again it is mostly used directly after landing a hook. This is why I say most of his power is located in 1 ability, because his other abilities are only used/useful if he lands his hook first. This is a general statement, so I'm not saying all the abilities are 100% useless without the hook, I'm saying their power is directly tied to landing a hook.

I can't comment on your "70% of my health" thing because that entirely depends on your champion, the items you build, the items he builds, and the time of the game. I mean you got hit by his hook so you should expect to take a lot of damage, and this is not different from other champs. If morg lands her binding, if zyra lands her "e", if brand land his stun they will probably do more damage than blitz, but the key word is IF you get hit, which is no different for blitz. If you get hit by his main ability, you are going to take some damage. An ADC who gets hit with a full round of abilities from a lot of champs will take 70% of their life in damage, doesn't make all those champs broken. Remember that damage is not necessarily the first sign of being problematic.

Defended2 votes

{quoted}

His w is essentially a set up for his hook and is also one of the only "self-harming" abilities in the game. His single target knock up is mostly only effective directly after landing a hook, and is not that strong of an ability on its own. His ult is one of the most underwhelming ults in the entire game. If you compare it to the ults of many other champs it doesn't even have close to the same kind of power. Also his ult is very hard to set up in the first place as to use the aoe silence effectively you have to run into the middle of the enemy team with no gap closer, again it is mostly used directly after landing a hook. This is why I say most of his power is located in 1 ability, because his other abilities are only used/useful if he lands his hook first. This is a general statement, so I'm not saying all the abilities are 100% useless without the hook, I'm saying their power is directly tied to landing a hook.

I can't comment on your "70% of my health" thing because that entirely depends on your champion, the items you build, the items he builds, and the time of the game. I mean you got hit by his hook so you should expect to take a lot of damage, and this is not different from other champs. If morg lands her binding, if zyra lands her "e", if brand land his stun they will probably do more damage than blitz, but the key word is IF you get hit, which is no different for blitz. If you get hit by his main ability, you are going to take some damage. An ADC who gets hit with a full round of abilities from a lot of champs will take 70% of their life in damage, doesn't make all those champs broken. Remember that damage is not necessarily the first sign of being problematic.

''His w is essentially a set up for his hook''

No. its the real reason you do NOT get close to a blitz. Its a ''hey if you get in melee range you're fucked''

Ok listen if his knockup isnt all that then i guess alistars knock up is pretty trash too huh. Even if its a single target makes no difference.

A knock up is the BEST cc in the game. Better then a stun. You cannot cleanse a knockup. You can cleanse a stun.

''And is not that strong of an ability on its own''

I call bullshit. Thats your opinion.

''His ult is one ofthe most underwhelming ults in the entire game, if you compare it to the ults of many other champs it doesnt even have close to the same kind of power''

I call bullshit again. As you can see in the picture his ult will fucking murder a squishs health. Thats not even its job. ITS A SILENCE.

Do you know how strong a silence is? A silence makes it so you cannot do any skill. An AOE silence. Remember Kassadins silence? Lacked counterplay.

See garens silence? Lacks counterplay

Blitz silence is the same thing

''i cant comment on your 70% of my health thing because tha tentirely depends on your champion''

Uh no. Thats 99% of adcs excluding ezreal. Thats every champ who is squish. Kayle veigar brand ori zed talon etc. They dont build armor till later evne then they need Maw to counter the AP and nobody builds Maw unless they're fighting AP or will eventually fight AP mid game.

''Im not saying all the abilities are 100% useless without the hook, im saying their power is directly tied to landing a hook''

I can agree to that. But blitz has to be one of the most frustrating,Type of nuisance, Overpowered, Overpowering, Lacks counterplay supports their are

Its basically saying '' Hey if u get hooked u lose baron 4 towers 2 inhibs elder drag and then we recall and when your 5th is respawned.. well it doesnt fuckin matter because we got elder + baron''

ThugWalrus1 votes

Alright well I completely disagree with your assessment of his "w" so I guess we'll just agree to disagree on that. I mean I agree that a good blitz will use it to punish you for being close to him by using w into his knockup and then hook you, but either way that is setting up for the HOOK, because without the hook getting caught in close range by his W isn't that dangerous. For example if a blitz's hook is on cd and he w's up to you and hits you with a power fist that's not really that dangerous, it's only by following up with the hook does that combo become deadly.

I'm not disagreeing that knock ups are good, but you have to actually be kidding me if you are comparing alistar's Q and blitz's e. Alistar's knock up is AOE for one thing, also he has a built in gap closer in his kit that allows him to jump to a target and knock them up, and possibly knock up as many as 3, 4 ,or 5. If you're going to tell me that ability is the same power as Blitz's e, then I would question your game knowledge as a whole. You can't just say "wow this ability has a knock up, therefore it is a good ability."

The lack of power in Blitz's "e" as an isolated ability is a function of how reliable / dangerous it is to land. In a teamfight if you want to land that knockup on an ADC you either have to hook them or run through the entire enemy team (without them running away) and hit them, and even if you do you are putting yourself in danger by doing so. This is what makes Nautilus's ulti a strong ability (you can target somebody from far away) and blitz's a relaively weak ability (you must be on your target in order to use it). Alistar has a much more reliable way of getting on his target with his w which can be cast through creeps and champions. Also he is naturally far tankier that blitz and thus has the ability to survive being in the middle of a team.

You make the same false equivalency with blitz's silence. I AM NOT SAYING that silences are weak, I am saying the context of blitz's silence makes it weak. For one thing it is 0.5 seconds, Garen's is 1.5 seconds. That means that Garen's silence is 3x more effective than blitz. Blitz's is AOE, but anyone who plays blitz knows that you rarely find yourself in a position to silence many members of the enemy team, as blitz is not a champion who is most effective in the middle of the enemy team. Even if he does ulti 3 or 4 people, 0.5 seconds is hardly oppressive in fact it is one of the shortest CCs in the game (and the shortest silence I believe).

You make the same argumentative mistake twice. You say "knockups are strong, blitz has a knockup, therefore blitz is strong" and then "silences are strong, blitz has a silence, therefore blitz is strong." You do this without examining the context in which the abilities exist. You can't say every knockup is created equal. For example, the knockup on Xin Zhao is far different in power than the knockup of Vel'koz because of not only them being far different champions with different kits, but also the setup each requires in order to be used at all or effectively.

I will reiterate that squishy champions losing a lot of health to a full combo of a champion does not dictate whether that champ is broken or not. There are more than a few support champions that can do this.

Defended1 votes

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Alright well I completely disagree with your assessment of his "w" so I guess we'll just agree to disagree on that. I mean I agree that a good blitz will use it to punish you for being close to him by using w into his knockup and then hook you, but either way that is setting up for the HOOK, because without the hook getting caught in close range by his W isn't that dangerous. For example if a blitz's hook is on cd and he w's up to you and hits you with a power fist that's not really that dangerous, it's only by following up with the hook does that combo become deadly.

I'm not disagreeing that knock ups are good, but you have to actually be kidding me if you are comparing alistar's Q and blitz's e. Alistar's knock up is AOE for one thing, also he has a built in gap closer in his kit that allows him to jump to a target and knock them up, and possibly knock up as many as 3, 4 ,or 5. If you're going to tell me that ability is the same power as Blitz's e, then I would question your game knowledge as a whole. You can't just say "wow this ability has a knock up, therefore it is a good ability."

The lack of power in Blitz's "e" as an isolated ability is a function of how reliable / dangerous it is to land. In a teamfight if you want to land that knockup on an ADC you either have to hook them or run through the entire enemy team (without them running away) and hit them, and even if you do you are putting yourself in danger by doing so. This is what makes Nautilus's ulti a strong ability (you can target somebody from far away) and blitz's a relaively weak ability (you must be on your target in order to use it). Alistar has a much more reliable way of getting on his target with his w which can be cast through creeps and champions. Also he is naturally far tankier that blitz and thus has the ability to survive being in the middle of a team.

You make the same false equivalency with blitz's silence. I AM NOT SAYING that silences are weak, I am saying the context of blitz's silence makes it weak. For one thing it is 0.5 seconds, Garen's is 1.5 seconds. That means that Garen's silence is 3x more effective than blitz. Blitz's is AOE, but anyone who plays blitz knows that you rarely find yourself in a position to silence many members of the enemy team, as blitz is not a champion who is most effective in the middle of the enemy team. Even if he does ulti 3 or 4 people, 0.5 seconds is hardly oppressive in fact it is one of the shortest CCs in the game (and the shortest silence I believe).

You make the same argumentative mistake twice. You say "knockups are strong, blitz has a knockup, therefore blitz is strong" and then "silences are strong, blitz has a silence, therefore blitz is strong." You do this without examining the context in which the abilities exist. You can't say every knockup is created equal. For example, the knockup on Xin Zhao is far different in power than the knockup of Vel'koz because of not only them being far different champions with different kits, but also the setup each requires in order to be used at all or effectively.

I will reiterate that squishy champions losing a lot of health to a full combo of a champion does not dictate whether that champ is broken or not. There are more than a few support champions that can do this.

Tell me this

When is blitz ever a bad pick.

ThugWalrus1 votes

  1. The enemy team's support is a morgana, braum, or alistar

  2. The enemy team has many bruisers/tanks you don't want to be pulling into your team like Darius, Swain, Maokai, Malphite

  3. Your team needs a solid frontline pick or hard CC to peel for your carries. This could be the case if the opposing team has a lot of hard engage for example, or your team lacks any real tanks with good cc.

  4. Your team needs hard engage to be effective.

  5. If you suck at hitting hooks

Defended1 votes

{quoted}

  1. The enemy team's support is a morgana, braum, or alistar

  2. The enemy team has many bruisers/tanks you don't want to be pulling into your team like Darius, Swain, Maokai, Malphite

  3. Your team needs a solid frontline pick or hard CC to peel for your carries. This could be the case if the opposing team has a lot of hard engage for example, or your team lacks any real tanks with good cc.

  4. Your team needs hard engage to be effective.

  5. If you suck at hitting hooks

  1. How does alistar ''counter blitz'' How does braum ''counter blitz''

The only person that ''counters blitz'' would be morgana.

  1. Enemy team has brusiers like darius swain maokai malphite? Darius will melt in one second if pulled. Also if blitz is pulling brusiers then hes doing something wrong. There are usually 4/5 people on the enemy team blitz can pull thatd be good

  2. ''Your team needs a solid frontline pick or hard CC to peel for your carries''

Blitz is perfectly capable of peeling for a carry trust me.

Solid front line? Correct me if im wrong but Isnt it usually top lane / Jungles job to go tanky if there isnt an alistar or braum on the supports team?

I can see what you're saying though

  1. Your team needs hard engage to be effective?

There are Many.. Many supports that dont have hard engage. Blitz pulling someone in is hard engage in itself

  1. '' If you suck at hitting hooks''

Its okay because you can miss 60 hooks out of 61. That ONLY hook you landed will get you baron + elder dont worry ive done it.

End in all. Blitz is a sack of shit champion. Frustrating and has too much in his kit.

ThugWalrus1 votes

Braum and alistar are highly effective against blitz. For one they will not die by being pulled. But also blitz is usually putting them in a better position by pulling them. Braum can pretty much guaranteed get his passive stun on blitz after getting hooked or run at the adc if he gets pulled close enough, and if the adc follows up after you get pulled it's a 2v1 since blitz is not a threat when his hook is down. Alistar can get pulled and then instantly w/q either the ad or blitz. Late game if blitz or braum gets pulled braum can get his ult off on the whole enemy team and ali can pulve the whole enemy team or anyone important around blitz. I always pick braum into blitz and it works wonders.

Darius doesnt mind getting pulled because it means he can get his spin/heal off on multiple targets. And if is melting in 1 second, you ain't building him right. Of course depends on the power of the enemy team. And I'd disagree that there are usually 4 members that are good to pull. I'd say usually there are 3 and they are standing behind 2 members you dont want to hook.

Yeah I guess blitz hook is hard engage, I should rephrase that point to say blitz is a bad pick if the team has heavy counter-engage.

I mean it's possible that a hook could win you the game, but so can a sej ult, so can a thresh hook, so can morg binding, so can a zac e.....

Iwas curious so I looked up your ranked stats, and you're 2 and 4 on blitz in ranked. My first question is if he's so freelo and braindead, why not just play him more and climb for free? My second question is, why do you only have a 33% win rate on a freelo champ?

Defended1 votes

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Braum and alistar are highly effective against blitz. For one they will not die by being pulled. But also blitz is usually putting them in a better position by pulling them. Braum can pretty much guaranteed get his passive stun on blitz after getting hooked or run at the adc if he gets pulled close enough, and if the adc follows up after you get pulled it's a 2v1 since blitz is not a threat when his hook is down. Alistar can get pulled and then instantly w/q either the ad or blitz. Late game if blitz or braum gets pulled braum can get his ult off on the whole enemy team and ali can pulve the whole enemy team or anyone important around blitz. I always pick braum into blitz and it works wonders.

Darius doesnt mind getting pulled because it means he can get his spin/heal off on multiple targets. And if is melting in 1 second, you ain't building him right. Of course depends on the power of the enemy team. And I'd disagree that there are usually 4 members that are good to pull. I'd say usually there are 3 and they are standing behind 2 members you dont want to hook.

Yeah I guess blitz hook is hard engage, I should rephrase that point to say blitz is a bad pick if the team has heavy counter-engage.

I mean it's possible that a hook could win you the game, but so can a sej ult, so can a thresh hook, so can morg binding, so can a zac e.....

Iwas curious so I looked up your ranked stats, and you're 2 and 4 on blitz in ranked. My first question is if he's so freelo and braindead, why not just play him more and climb for free? My second question is, why do you only have a 33% win rate on a freelo champ?

Stop there. Why are you saying alistar and braum are effective if blitz pulls them

Blitz pulls the fucking adc not the alistar. So ignoring the rest of your paragraph.

Darius doesnt mind getting pulled because it mmeans he can get his spin/heal off?

First off Blitz pulls, Knocks up, Then silences. Darius wont be able to pull a Q off when hes completely ccd. Second what kind of bronze players are you fighting where darius is ''getting his Q off on 5 people''

I just think you're underestimating blitz. Because i can guarentee you almost any adc main will tell you that blitz is tier 0 frustrating to fight against period.

ThugWalrus1 votes

yeah it's not like braum has a way he can jump in front of the hook..... Also the inherent benefit of picking a champ like braum/alistar is you reduce his available targets by 50%, is that not an advantage?

I never said darius would get it off on 5 targets, please read carefully, I said MULTIPLE, that could be anywhere from 2-infinity, but for the purpose of league it will be 2-5. and if blitz pulls him into your team it is almost guaranteed he gets at least 2. You also have to consider that if a bruiser like darius gets pulled, people tend to blow everything on that one person (who is not a priority target) making any follow-up that much stronger.

I don't think I'm underestimating blitz, I think he's a pretty decent champion, but I definitely think you are over-estimating him. You won't find too many blitz one-tricks in high elo and there is a reason for that.

zlumpy1 votes

I'm in the needs a rework camp for blitz on this one. He has clear strengths and weaknesses but they aren't fun ones for either side. Usually the biggest weakness is mobility ( which you can still get unlucky with) or getting late game. If you have a team that can just ignore blitz later and charge in head first great! If he last picked because blitz wasn't banned or something and you didn't expect blitz( which is weird because he has a high pick rate when not banned if I recall) you could be in for a big world of hurt all game. He does seem to be a bit on the high damage side early game especially since he is still kinda tanky.

so again no delete but maybe a rework is in order to make him more fun to play as/against. people always complain that sona is oppressive so she gets changed why are other champs immune to this?

52409615_DEL1 votes

To me him along with several other champs that involve point-clikc cc/burst could just go Annie Malphite Malzahar but yeah, a rework would do.

zlumpy1 votes

lol yeah that malz rework...I actually enjoyed him before they changed him now...voidling swarm OP jungle clear. Malph is fun and the point click on him acts as a good counter play to high mobility hard to hit champs, but I can see how people maining those champs get annoyed :P. Annie...I leave for a while and came back to that holy crap she is crazy now.

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