We're not going to see a single Enchanter support this entire worlds tournament, are we?

chipndip1··3 votes·2,079 views

Like, at least last year we saw tank supports SOMETIMES. Like, rare, but it happened.

I don't think we're gonna see a single enchanter support do anything all tourney long...save Soraka losing a few times. When is Riot going to do something decisive about enchanters, again?

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I Like Teemo4 votes

damage supports are mets since its "league of damage" right now

chipndip12 votes

TIL: Kench, Alistar, and Braum are "damage supports".

Dasdi961 votes

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TIL: Kench, Alistar, and Braum are "damage supports".

Let's be real an Alistar combo at level 3 does at least 40% of your hp, and add 15-20% for summoner 14

Killer of Night91 votes

Alistar is a generalist in his current state. He offer sustain,damage,tankyness,Cc and peel.

Daddy Ants2 votes

Assassin players cried too hard.

Enchanters got nerfed to the point where they are

  • Barely viable in Solo Queue. Sona Nami are the exceptions to this.

  • Not seen on the competitive stage at all.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

item 3504

Ragnaveil1 votes

Idk, would you rather see the resident sleeper part of worlds called the "Ardent" meta all over again? Shit made me want to fall asleep.

chipndip11 votes

I don't want them buffed.

I want them addressed. Their core game play loop IS boring and 1-dimensional, and yet we got an EZREAL rework before any of them were actually addressed beyond tinkering with cooldowns or just outright gutting them. Where's the justice?

Ragnaveil1 votes

I get that, but let me ask you this: Which would you rather have addressed first- The absurd amount of true damage in the game, or enchanters?

chipndip11 votes

Enchanters, because the true damage in the game isn't absurd.

Ragnaveil1 votes

So let tanks that are not Sion sit in the shitter due to the amount of tank busting power that exists in this game? Just because OP.GG puts him at 50% winrate doesn't mean he's good. He's tier 4 even with that winrate. People ask why Sion's the only tank that does well in top, thats because he has not only damage, but a way to stack health, meaning he can build flat resists without worrying about health. All that health he gets is why he's surviving. If he had maokai hp, he'd be blown up in seconds. True damage is to blame because it just bypasses resists. Last year, tanks could get blown up, but not at this rapid pace, so they had windows to do things. Nowadays, a tank gets stunned once and they just pop like a balloon even with 200+ resists.

chipndip11 votes

I checked lolalytics by filtering for top/diamond, and there's a decent amount of tank picks in top lane with either good or respectable win rates.

Remember, solo queue naturally favors hard stomping and snowballing momentum. It isn't an actual representation of what the game is meant to be. Making it so tanks can have that power to hard win lanes and snowball like fighters and assassins get to will boost appeal, but will ALSO warp the game's meta too heavily in favor of tanks, which will stagnate champion diversity.

Even as it is now, tanks aren't doing excessively poor on average. However, tanks don't have an appealing play style in most scenarios and they don't fulfill an appealing role (peel and engage rather than hard carry), so they won't be picked as often even if they're in a decent or better spot in solo queue. Conqueror alone isn't "too much true damage" in the game, IE's true damage is an overall nerf to the item's early game, and there's not much true damage in the game that's floating around freely to complain about, anyway.

True damage isn't a concern. Burst in general is being addressed in a few months. I'd like Riot to finally be decisive about how they're going to address Enchanter game play patterns because very few people like or respect them, and all attempts prior have been half-hearted. That's my answer.

JustMonika131 votes

Unless it’s Rakan, Taric, or Nami (the first two being hybrids), I don’t want to see Enchanters ever again.

chipndip11 votes

...isn't that the point of doing something about the designs of enchanters...so people don't hate most of them as much?

Also, Rakan is a catcher.

Infernape1 votes

His secondary role is enchanter. So is Taric's. Rakan is a hybrid of a catcher/enchanter. Taric is a warden/enchanter.

chipndip11 votes

No, Rakan's just a catcher. You aren't an enchanter just because you have a shield.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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No, Rakan's just a catcher. You aren't an enchanter just because you have a shield.

And a heal...?

chipndip11 votes

Is Alistar an enchanter?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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Is Alistar an enchanter?

Enchanter by will like Rakan's Q? Old Alistar fits the title better than current.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Unless it’s Rakan, Taric, or Nami (the first two being hybrids), I don’t want to see Enchanters ever again.

Rakan is a catcher.

Taric is an enchanter, (Hybrid Warden)

Source: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses

ShadWooo1 votes

Seriously ardent meta is/was overrated. I was building ardent on Soraka months before it suddenly become broken. There were obviously some supp item changes and marksmen changes tha influenced it, but ardent remains the best item to rush for enchanters because it is very cheap and components provides very useful stats like increased healing/shielding, cdr and mana regeneration. And unlike redeption it has lower skill ceiling (read non).

It started to be uninteractive the moment everyone started playing it and each team had enchanter and marksman with same items and they were playing passive af waiting for teamfights. Thats it, my winrate when playing against engage/pick supports was 50% - all supports were actually viable, it was just far easier to play enchanters back then. And now we have the opposite problem and it is again same meta as in worlds 6 and 5 with even less diversity than anytime before (mean pro-play, soloQ is not affected that much).

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