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Can we take away a good deal of damage from champions who aren't meant to be carries already?

Bultz··3 votes·1,074 views

Seriously, I swear riot is purposely trying to ruin this game. Everyday something with them. Can we plz not let none carry champions do enough damage to equal a carry champion. There are champion classes for a reason. Support champions get a ridiculous amount of utility to be useful and well, to support. Support is healing, cc, plan making, etc. Support isn't giving a machine gone to a champion and being like here you go I'm supporting you by also being able to kill everyone. Being a tank is about engaging, distracting the enemy, cc, and taking all the hits. It's not let me be untouchable while I CC everyone so I can basically 5v1. Like come on this game is so toxic when you're a carry who has to now duel supports. Any carry should always win in a 1v1. Verse anyone in a fight, they should win. But then you have pieces of shit like Tahm Kench. Like Pyke. Bard. etc.

Tahm is a tank/support. You go ahead and try to duel this fuck without being ahead of him. And do you how many games I've seen Pyke players carry? a support who supports himself to all the kills and carries. Assassin/support my fucking ass. What nut job thought, hey here's an execution ultimate that does true damage that you can spam just like Darius has, but better because you don't need fucking stack to that as much damage. But just in case you almost die, here is a ms escape with invisibility, mobility, a stun, and for good measure a heal. Like whoever made this champion needs to not be allowed anymore.

Can we let our carries actually carry again. Like I'm tired of using duelists, just to be outdueled by supports and tanks.

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Done253 votes

Tahm isn't a support though. He's a 1v1 fighter like WW or Trundle. That's why his top lane is much better than his support lane. Riot has basically removed all of his support attributes.

Also, Pyke is an Assassin type Catcher. He's not a Warden or an Enchanter. Snowballing off kills is what he's supposed to do.

XJ999999999999991 votes

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Tahm isn't a support though. He's a 1v1 fighter like WW or Trundle. That's why his top lane is much better than his support lane. Riot has basically removed all of his support attributes.

Also, Pyke is an Assassin. He's not a Warden or an Enchanter. Snowballing off kills is what he's supposed to do.

tahms winrate is better in sup despite the same playrate.

he can still save allies with his w, so.

Done252 votes

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tahms winrate is better in sup despite the same playrate.

he can still save allies with his w, so.

https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Support?league=gold 43% win rate as support in Gold. It goes up to 47% in Plat, but most players aren't good enough to reach that level of skill with him.

https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Top?league=gold Meanwhole his top has a 47% win rate in Gold, and a 50% in Plat.

So yea, you're factually wrong.

CrazyMonkeyCZ

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https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Support?league=gold 43% win rate as support in Gold. It goes up to 47% in Plat, but most players aren't good enough to reach that level of skill with him.

https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Top?league=gold Meanwhole his top has a 47% win rate in Gold, and a 50% in Plat.

So yea, you're factually wrong.

pretty sure he wanted to say his winrate as supp went up after "nerfs".

Done251 votes

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pretty sure he wanted to say his winrate as supp went up after "nerfs".

I think it went down actually. At least in the lower elo b/c his Devour now Grounds and slows him if he eats an ally. (No flashing away.)

XJ999999999999991 votes

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https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Support?league=gold 43% win rate as support in Gold. It goes up to 47% in Plat, but most players aren't good enough to reach that level of skill with him.

https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Top?league=gold Meanwhole his top has a 47% win rate in Gold, and a 50% in Plat.

So yea, you're factually wrong.

lol

MiracleMorg941 votes

We never needed this type of champion though, and he has messed up the bot lane a ton with him being created in the first place.

Cind3rkick2 votes

First of all, any champ can be considered a carry. Pyke carries by having lots of executes and sharing gold

Tahm carries by moving his team around the map and saving his adc

Even soraka can carry if she plays well enough, keeping enemies silences and snared while healing her allies a load.

Any carry should always win in a 1v1. Verse anyone in a fight, they should win.

Not really, if you put an assassin on most adc, 1v1 the assassin would always win

Put pyke against a renekton and ren would kill him so fast while taking no damage

Its the fact that carries can be 1v1ed that makes the game balanced

Would you like to fight someone who is protected by their team abd outputting insane damage. Then needin to send multiple people to kill them if they make a mistake and get caught out alone?

Spooks and Null1 votes

Couldn't of said it myself. All I would add is that, while yes you farmed well and have decent cs and you're still 0/0/0, if the enemy Sion is 9/0/1 and has been snowballing the shit out of his lane, then yes he deserves to 1v1 kill you in the midgame.

Worth noting that if the meta had carries that could 1v1 anything, then we'd end up in Ardent Meta again, and nobody liked Ardent Meta. Gotta love being forced to play Lulu top with support items because I'm not allowed to have fun.

Hotarµ1 votes

But then you have pieces of shit like Tahm Kench. Like Pyke. Bard. etc.

Pyke is a support-assassin, he needs damage in his kit to survive.

Pyke will never top the damage charts, he's generally in 3rd or 4th place as long as you have an average mid/ADC.

What nut job thought, hey here's an execution ultimate that does true damage that you can spam just like Darius has, but better because you don't need fucking stack to that as much damage. But just in case you almost die, here is a ms escape with invisibility, mobility, a stun, and for good measure a heal. Like whoever made this champion needs to not be allowed anymore.

Oh boy. -cracks knuckles-

First off, Pyke plays off of enemy mistakes. If a Pyke is carrying a game it's not because he's carrying, it's because you're misplaying. Literally just save any dash, blink, heal, or stasis for Pyke and his entire ultimate is wasted. It's that easy to shut a Pyke down.

Do you know why he gets invisibility and a dash? Because he can't build health, armor, or magic resist. Realistically speaking the only form of survivability he gets is from Aftershock, Guardian Angel, and Death's Dance (if he even builds that.) If Pyke doesn't build lethality his entire kit is gimped and it's nearly impossible to perform well.

Tank Pyke is no longer a thing, meaning **he's a squishy assassin who dies faster than any other champion in the game **with the inability to build any sort of survivability without massively kneecapping himself. He's a high-risk, high-reward champion with tons of counterplay that brings a lot to the table when played well.

Spooks and Null2 votes

Worth noting too, since I don't think it was emphasized quite enough. While Pyke is an "assassin", hes not going to 100-0 you unless hes so far ahead that the games already over. More likely hes going to 40-0 you. His damage is fine and all, but the cooldown on his Q is prohibitive and his E's damage is inconsistent. He relies heavily on his teammates to do damage for him. Often times Sona will deal much more damage than pyke will, on average.

Hilariously enough too, all three of his damage sources are dodgeable & negatable. Thats a yikes from me dawg.

MiracleMorg941 votes

Ahem. Of course Sona does more. AP does more damage than AD anyday.

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