remember when zeds banrate was 60%

resumed·May 12, 2016·23 votes·1,556 views

now its 80% (in diamond and plat)

72-78% in bronze to gold

zed is pick or ban in literally 90% of games. hes maintained a 15% pickrate that decreases as elos go up (just like the banrate)

58 Comments

Maximum MordeMay 12, 201618 votes

Picking Zed is a violation of the Geneva Convention.

Silly NeekoMay 12, 20164 votes

All you have to do is think about it logically. In solo queue you get raged at but in team queue you do not. Reason why? Communication and you are normally friends with them. You know what they are capable of and what they have problems with. If you solo queue, you ban Zed because Zed is strong.... He is supposed to be, hes an ASSASSIN. If you stand there and let him combo you into oblivion, that is not anyone elses fault except your own. What you need to do is learn how to play against Zed. Best way to do that is use him for a few games to see how they play against him. Blitzcrank honestly could be the safest assassinator when going ap because he pulls which separates them and does extreme damage, silences which keeps them from using anything to get away and again does extreme damage, and then knocks which if they wernt dead before, they are extremely low and the knock helps you get away if needbe and is also counter engage.... and yes i have played Blitzcrank in mid lane vs Zed in normals and still won. Ban rate does not mean that Zed is good or over powered, Ban rate just means people have their own reasons to kill them off...... Look at teemo, he used to be banned so much more than he is currently because people FINALLY learned how to play against him. Zed's "Reign of terror" will only last for as long as people like you are missing all the ways that have been mentioned to how you can beat Zed. Read the different suggestions that was pointed out, dont just give up because they have a Zed, and learn how to play against him.

As for my comment before about the picks and bans, how you worded your message made it seem like you were saying "If Zed is picked first, its game over" which is why i said the many different counters. How you avoid having that issue is you talk with your team so you can work things out..... for example if the support is last pick, and mid is first pick, and the mid has a good number of supports and the support has most of the mids..... The mid laner can pick a support of their choice and then the support can pick their mid of choice. There is a reason why it is a TEAM game. Communicate even in solo queue.

Would you like more ways that explain how Zed can easily be counter played, and that he isnt actually as good as people make him out to be, and that the entire thing about Zed being OP is just hype? Always keep your mind open to new ideas, and always be willing to learn new things. Today you have just learned that the only reason Zed is banned and picked so often is because solo queue does not trust their team mates, but everyone picks him because he is a carry and everyone plays a carry in solo queue because nobody trusts their team.

resumedMay 12, 20161 votes

im not reading that

SchàdenfreudeMay 13, 20162 votes

Hahaha... Mad cuz bad son.

resumedMay 13, 20162 votes

what?

SnugglePuggle94May 13, 20161 votes

That's not nice man.

BluePolarizerMay 14, 20161 votes

He's pretty damn good. You can only counter him with gold, but he can suppress your farming to the point where you have no gold.

There's a reason why diamonds are still banning Zed. His numbers are just too high.

Silly NeekoMay 17, 20161 votes

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He's pretty damn good. You can only counter him with gold, but he can suppress your farming to the point where you have no gold.

There's a reason why diamonds are still banning Zed. His numbers are just too high.

Or they just don't trust their team to not feed the cheese sauce out of him to the point where they are doing 5k damage within 2 seconds

BluePolarizerMay 17, 20161 votes

how bad do you think diamonds are compared to you?

Silly NeekoMay 17, 20161 votes

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how bad do you think diamonds are compared to you?

Ask some diamonds sometime about why they might ban Zed. Enjoy a wake up call.

iDarkWindMay 12, 20164 votes

Because of those retard QSS changes. I love to play with Zed, but now is simple impossible. QSS actually made him quite balance, because he would fall off in late game. But now ... well.

I seriously love Zed, that's why I've never agreed with those changes to QSS.

SpongebobIsLifeMay 17, 20161 votes

he still falls off lol. He isn't as "freelo" as people like to think he is, and that's why Riot won't nerf him. If they do, then i honestly think he would be trash.

iDarkWindMay 17, 20163 votes

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he still falls off lol. He isn't as "freelo" as people like to think he is, and that's why Riot won't nerf him. If they do, then i honestly think he would be trash.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Zed Main and I know exactly what I'm saying. He doesn't fall off that much nowdays. QSS was the item that everyone could build and just counter his ultimate, but that isn't the case anymore. Before, he did fall off because of items like QSS, but not anymore.

And no, you're right, he isn't free elo. He has a large number of counters that are doing well this season. Kayle for example. And actually, he is hard to master. You notice the difference between a good Zed and a bad one in the team fights.

Silly NeekoMay 12, 20163 votes

Up to you if you read it or not. Whoever does read it would find almost all your points covered and explained. Good day to you, hope you learn how to play vs Zed someday.

MazariamontiMay 12, 20163 votes

I replaced the perma zed ban with the perma Ekko ban, which just recently got replaced with a perma malzahar ban

OelykMay 12, 20163 votes

OH MAN, I havn't seen a Zed in sense he got nerfed, and only banned like 2-3 times in my last 20 games.

I don't believe it.

Only in the malz.

PDE5 InhibMay 12, 20162 votes

Well, he got buffed, so...

resumedMay 12, 20165 votes

ya ik

but why cant he be nerfed into unplayability until the assassin update

PDE5 InhibMay 12, 201613 votes

Because that's dumb.

resumedMay 12, 20165 votes

its dumb to allow a champion be included in literally 90% of games through pick or ban

zeds pickrate is higher than malzahars, who has a similar (though slightly higher) banrate. but theyre not proportional as zeds pickrate is still twice as high as malzahars

NahuiMay 12, 201610 votes

Zed's pick rate is higher than malzahar's due to popularity of the so called "OP" champ. He currently has the Kass syndrome of past seasons when Kass was flat broken in that he's banned so often that any time he's not, people pick him to try and freelo, but fail miserably as they don't know how to play him. People ban zed because they're "Supposed" to, not because they have a reason to. It's very easy to build a counter comp around him.

resumedMay 12, 20162 votes

so the only counterplay to zed is in champion select and if he isnt first picked youre fucked regardless?

zeds winrate among new zed players is just a teeny bit less than 49%

Silly NeekoMay 12, 20163 votes

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so the only counterplay to zed is in champion select and if he isnt first picked youre fucked regardless?

zeds winrate among new zed players is just a teeny bit less than 49%

You do realize that you just made yourself look silly there right? Pick and bans, it is not blind pick. You choose who you play as. Malzahar and Ahri are both fairly good picks vs zed, same as talon, and if you really wanted to mess them up use alistar. Alistar is fairly troll pick but is completely viable and able to kill zed with no problems.

ErrastasMay 12, 20165 votes

If my mid doesn't counter pick Zed or picks first, I'll pick a support that counters him. Even though he may have a rough time laning, I'll keep my carries alive in team fights after. Doesn't always have to be the mid that counter picks.

resumedMay 12, 20162 votes

i have no idea what youre talking about

how can you change the champion youve already locked in to counterpick a zed pick who picks after you. because you said that im not sure you got what i was saying

are you like, defending zed being banned or picked in literally 90% of games

Silly NeekoMay 12, 20163 votes

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i have no idea what youre talking about

how can you change the champion youve already locked in to counterpick a zed pick who picks after you. because you said that im not sure you got what i was saying

are you like, defending zed being banned or picked in literally 90% of games

He is banned because people dont know how to play against him. He is also banned because people pick him and then cant use him. In solo queue if you play, you normally do not trust your team to do their job and work with you and you do not trust them to be able to take out the zed. He is a carry same as Jinx, and Diana, and numerous others.

resumedMay 12, 20161 votes

i have no clue where youre getting this information from, but 80% banrates dont just happen for no reason

NahuiMay 12, 20161 votes

The counterplay to all champions is champion select. You pick champions to counter other ones, not what you want to play. If you choose to go Xerath and are too stubborn to choose a different champion when Zed is selected, that's entirely your fault. The QSS removal made it so ADCs couldnt 1v1 Zed late game, now the ADC is dependent on the support (Gasp, imagine that) to fight off an assassin. Zhonyas still exists. It's no longer a powerhouse, extreme stat boost and active item as it was considered kind of OP. CC still exists. Exhaust is very much still a summoner spell.

Michael BaconMay 12, 20162 votes

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so the only counterplay to zed is in champion select and if he isnt first picked youre fucked regardless?

zeds winrate among new zed players is just a teeny bit less than 49%

46% isn't a tiny bit, champion.gg

resumedMay 12, 20162 votes

the data on champion.gg does contradict my claim, but it says actually 49%, rather than 48.5%

CatastropMay 12, 20163 votes

Not necessarily, there could be people like me who ban Zed because they just don't trust their team to not feed him out of their asses.

SnugglePuggle94May 13, 20161 votes

Exactly. I just played against a Zed the other day. I was the jungler of course and I wasn't in a spot to ban, and no one bans him so he's immediately picked on the enemy team. At least my Kennen was smart in the mid lane. He didn't feed in the early game but had some struggles. Once I told him to get away from Zed when he ults you, he learned how to disengage and got fed later. I was playing Sejuani and always kept an eye out for whoever he would ult and slam into him with Q.

But as a mid laner, I always have to be on my guard. So I ban him because 1) I hate the crap out of him, 2) he's one of the most retarded champions in the game, and 3) I can't trust that the team won't feed him.

Silly NeekoMay 13, 20161 votes

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Exactly. I just played against a Zed the other day. I was the jungler of course and I wasn't in a spot to ban, and no one bans him so he's immediately picked on the enemy team. At least my Kennen was smart in the mid lane. He didn't feed in the early game but had some struggles. Once I told him to get away from Zed when he ults you, he learned how to disengage and got fed later. I was playing Sejuani and always kept an eye out for whoever he would ult and slam into him with Q.

But as a mid laner, I always have to be on my guard. So I ban him because 1) I hate the crap out of him, 2) he's one of the most retarded champions in the game, and 3) I can't trust that the team won't feed him.

^ knows how to play against Zed, but bans because they just dont like them and they dont trust their team. Most "retarded" champion is a matter of opinion but I still thank you for summing up what I had mentioned before.

SnugglePuggle94May 14, 20161 votes

Maybe I went a bit overboard with him being "retarded." My hate for the champion is, well, extremely high lol. And your welcome.

PDE5 InhibMay 13, 20161 votes

It is dumb to allow a champion to have that high of a pick/ban rate, I agree.

But it's also dumb to "nerfed into unplayability".

You share the same balance philosophy as rito: either it has to be OP or trash. And quite frankly, it's dumb. Stahp business majoring.

SnugglePuggle94May 13, 20164 votes

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It is dumb to allow a champion to have that high of a pick/ban rate, I agree.

But it's also dumb to "nerfed into unplayability".

You share the same balance philosophy as rito: either it has to be OP or trash. And quite frankly, it's dumb. Stahp business majoring.

Ahem. Evelynn would like a word with you. She's been nerfed into the ground and is quite frankly awful.

Also, don't attack other people. It's not nice.

PDE5 InhibMay 13, 20161 votes

Also, don't attack other people. It's not nice.

Yeah, but neither is being dumb enough that you contribute to the reason that rito doesn't listen to it's player base, and then complain that they don't.

SnugglePuggle94May 13, 20162 votes

We don't know why Riot won't listen, but it doesn't give you the right to call the guy dumb. He is not contributing to anything.

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

PDE5 InhibMay 13, 20161 votes

It's pretty obvious that rito doesn't listen. And it's also pretty obvious that it's because of people like this.

but it doesn't give you the right to call the guy dumb.

Actually, I called the balancing philosophy of nerfing Zed so that he is unplayable dumb. Then I called him a business major.

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Lol. Someone is a lil bit sensitive xD

SnugglePuggle94May 14, 20161 votes

I said we really don't know WHY Riot doesn't listen, but it's not because of this guy.

Maybe that philosophy is a bit off, but it's not dumb. Learn to use other words that describe what you want to say but aren't as bad.

So what if I'm sensitive? I've been bullied a lot in my life and when I see someone being negative to others I don't like it.

PDE5 InhibMay 14, 20161 votes

I said people like this. rito doesn't listen because of people like this.

Yes, the philosophy is dumb.

SnugglePuggle94May 14, 20161 votes

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I said people like this. rito doesn't listen because of people like this.

Yes, the philosophy is dumb.

You are ridiculous. It is not dumb.

PDE5 InhibMay 14, 20161 votes

Saying that a champion should be nerfed until they are not playable is dumb. It's a fact.

SnugglePuggle94May 14, 20161 votes

No it is not.

I'm done with you. You aren't worth the waste of time.

PDE5 InhibMay 14, 20161 votes

Yes, it is.

HadesBladesMay 13, 20162 votes

Idk did you forget assassin akali

Silly NeekoMay 12, 20162 votes

I was tossing him in for an example of what I mean by the engage. Please actually read what was said and not pick out the most useless information to focus on. Yes Yi and Zed are two different champions who have two different kits, but their engage is still just the same.

The information to focus on is that you can easily counterplay that type of engage because it is not just "OH SHOOT THEY ARE ONTOP OF ME" you have about small bit of time to prepare for their coming, which gives you enough time to get under turret so they take some turret shots, stun/cc them in general, and gives that little bit of extra time for the jungler to come and sit next to where he will pop back. If only people would see how easily he could be outplayed if they only wanted to see what was right infront of them....

AstôlfoMay 12, 20161 votes

How did you go from 80/72-78 to 90?

resumedMay 12, 20163 votes

in gold elo zed is banned 78% of the time, yet he is picked 11% of the time, meaning that hes either picked or banned in 89% of games in gold elo

ProfirixMay 17, 20161 votes

Honestly guys and gals, at this point we don't even have to consider how good or badly Zed is doing. The fact that he maintains upwards of an 80% ban rate because people just don't want to deal with him is proof enough that he needs to be reworked in general. His kit is just so damn toxic for an assassin. I am a little surprised however that there is not a similar level of apprehensiveness against Fizz, but I suppose that this is because Fizz actually has a small window of opportunity to counterplay after he uses is E instead of Zed's freebie ultimate dash and if all else fails a W for escape.