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Why does vayne buy 4 attack speed items and still kill squishies with 3 autos?

MunchCrunchLunch··10 votes·1,901 views

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why does her fucking ult give her 70 AD?

shes not draven stacking ad or armor pen. why the fuck is she allowed to shred tanks and tumble onto squishies for 1200 damage crits?

this thread from almost a year ago

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/9N0h9YOw-they-should-just-remove-the-ad-steroid-from-vaynes-ultimate-because-its-just-way-too-oppressive

this is what i stand for. remove the bullshit ad from her ult. or remove the true damage. or the stealth. remove something. and buff her early game. holy god this champion is annoying.

before you complain about "her winrate". she has over 50% winrate. and she has 20% playrate. for being the hardest adc in the game to play. thats just not right. that winrate shouldn't be 50%. for a high skill cap shitty early game champion that exists in an early game meta. she should be nowhere near 50% winrate. especially with 20% playrate. but what do i know.

can she have a CHOICE between busting tanks or assassinating squishies. because riight now she assassinating everyone.

50 Comments

Requiemsfire2 votes

She kills me in 2 hits, not 3. Check yo math.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

well i just wanted to be safe because this boards are like caged unfed animals. you get a little close but not too close. and they will still poke their paws out at you. terrible analogy

Wolfess2 votes

she's always been a bullshit champ. Considering she usually goes high atk speed to proc her W more often, she shouldn't have a 70 AD buff on her ult that already doubles her passive's move speed buff and gives her Q an brief invis buff that allows her to become untargetable unless enemy can see her stealth. 70 AD is easily a Tier3 item's worth of AD, so roughly 3k gold? that's a damn strong buff. Twitch's ult doesn't add as much and only ads range to his atks. While the range is pretty great, Vayne's ult outclasses his by a ton in just what it provides in raw stats.

as for that Q buff she received, idk. This is Rito we're talking about. They like keeping their popular champions being popular for some weird reason. It's like their mentality is "Ok, even though we have 100+ champs, they were all just Concepts that got added into the game.... then we pick these guys over here that we actually liked and that players liked and we'll keep them at the top, then all the ones that were not liked can go to the crapper

Cheese33942 votes

TRIPLES your passive's movement speed buff

Woululuu2 votes

That is true. She is really bullshit stupid. She got all You Want, only your early is a bit bad but with the right support it isn't a problem anymore Buy she will be changed in the preseason for sure cos you aren't able to counter her with a pink ward. If riot than don't do anything I eat my computer ;D

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

i will eat orages without peeling them and i will not be K. not any oranges but BLOOD ORANGES. WITH SALT

AgeOfTheMage2 votes

don't forget about her "terrible early game"

Rebonack2 votes

I still think it would be really interesting if Vayne's Ult buffed Silver Bolts somehow instead of just giving her a massive AD buff.

People would throw a shit-fit over her doing more %HP True Damage, but I would take improving her tank-busting power over allowing her to annihilate soft AND hard targets with equal impunity in a heartbeat.

Teridax681 votes

I agree with this general direction. I think it would be better if Vayne's ult, say, empowered her abilities like it currently empowers Tumble/Night Hunter, and thereby gave her more tools to maneuver around targets in the middle of heated fights, instead of just giving her another 1-2 B.F. Swords. I'd be more comfortable with a Vayne who could chain pentakills more often, but would take more time to kill any individual target and gave them more options to react, than a Vayne who gets rewarded for throwing herself into the enemy team by blowing up a target in far too few hits.

Fondling Gems1 votes

Because if she built 4 damage items she would 2 shot squishies. Oh, not what you were asking?

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

you gotta trade off strengths. you cant have true damage. a lot of base damage from ult. and be allowed to get fucking 4 attack speed items and not much ad and no armor pen what so ever to kill tanks and squishies pretty fucking quickly. its getting old. am getting sick of this bs.

literally. every adc in the game. sacrificies something. in their build path. any adc can literally get armor pen crit and ad and kill squisheis with two autos. but it isn't viable. u aren't gonna have high dps against bruisers or tanks.

meanwhile. we got the bullshit piece of garbage champion vayne. that is a tank buster. 1500 damage tumble critting 2.5 attack speed stealth assassin hyper carry that is impossible to fight mid and late game.

when an adc buys lord dominks. something like an ER or ghostblade. will make you kill squishies faster. and tanks a lot slower. however. VAYNE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THAT. vayne builds 4 attack speed items. an IE. and a BT. and your all fucking set. 35% lifesteal. 2.0+ attack speed. true damage 70 ad from ult. stealth. its literally the most wrongfully designed section of league of legends. and lets give her hard cc why not.

what the hell.

Fondling Gems1 votes

Joke

You

Nar7ia1 votes

{quoted}

when an adc buys lord dominks. something like an ER or ghostblade. will make you kill squishies faster. and tanks a lot slower.

You high or what? LDR is literally an anti-tank item , not a squishy buster.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

i meant to say lord doniniks would help u kill tanks faster but er or ghostblade will help u kill squishies faster in comparison sometimes i forget to finish a sentence.

Nar7ia1 votes

{quoted}

i meant to say lord doniniks would help u kill tanks faster but er or ghostblade will help u kill squishies faster in comparison sometimes i forget to finish a sentence.

oh np then its alright xD :P

Jorencice1 votes

Shes not really that unstoppable.

Just last night i played in a "protect the vayne comp"

It was morg naut blitz and rek sai.

We had ALL OF THE CC.

Yet still our vayne ended up like 25/9

Because even being full build the enemy malphite could almost solo her if we just ignored him.

Becauses her build didnt have alot of armor pen thus she wasnt critting for 1500. She was critting for like 400.

Your VASTLY overestimating how much damage her true damage actually deals.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

{quoted}

Shes not really that unstoppable.

Just last night i played in a "protect the vayne comp"

It was morg naut blitz and rek sai.

We had ALL OF THE CC.

Yet still our vayne ended up like 25/9

Because even being full build the enemy malphite could almost solo her if we just ignored him.

Becauses her build didnt have alot of armor pen thus she wasnt critting for 1500. She was critting for like 400.

Your VASTLY overestimating how much damage her true damage actually deals.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2318462687/34394008?tab=stats Is this the game? Vayne is 21/1 and her crits are way bigger than the enemy Yasuo or Twitch, Also she dealt the most damage. You are basically lying.

Jorencice1 votes

Damn she only died once.

We did a way better job protecting her than i remember.

Although my point still stands.

That malphite almost soloed her plenty of times till we peeled him off of her.

Nar7ia1 votes

What kind of idiot builds 4 attack speed items (excluding boots) on vayne lol

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

why are boots excluded? they are an item?

Nar7ia1 votes

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why are boots excluded? they are an item?

I excluded boots because well .. they are a must buy for everyone and almost all adc's build item 3006 anyway.

But fine then lets include boots and it still does not make it 4 attack speed items. Right now most people build item 3046 +item 3087 on vayne. If you add boots those are 3 attack speed items there.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

botrk is still bought on most vaynes.

Nar7ia2 votes

{quoted}

botrk is still bought on most vaynes.

botrk is a terrible item atm and its very niche , if someone is buying botrk then he/she might as well not play vayne.

are no name left1 votes

{quoted}

botrk is a terrible item atm and its very niche , if someone is buying botrk then he/she might as well not play vayne.

Trolololololol "I'm right and anyone who disagrees is just stupid"

Nar7ia1 votes

[{quoted}](name=are no name left,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FbuxU3t7,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-14T11:37:46.662+0000)

Trolololololol "I'm right and anyone who disagrees is just stupid"

I didn't meant to sound like that , sorry if I did but in all seriousness I feel bt/merc scimitar is just better than botrk now.

With double zeal items you have 80% crit chance. Raw ad you get from bt/merc scimitar is much better with that high crit chance than atk speed+current hp dmg from botrk , not to mention the active of merc scimitar can be life saving in this meta where 1 cc equals death lategame and bt gives strong sustain.

Lady Hammerlock2 votes

{quoted}

botrk is a terrible item atm and its very niche , if someone is buying botrk then he/she might as well not play vayne.

Bork honestly only works on Hurricane Vayne at this point, it's just an overpriced stat stick at this point

PD,Shiv, Hurricane just out class by a mile

Nar7ia1 votes

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Bork honestly only works on Hurricane Vayne at this point, it's just an overpriced stat stick at this point

PD,Shiv, Hurricane just out class by a mile

Yea I crie everytime I see a vayne building botrk as first item.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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botrk is still bought on most vaynes.

item 3031 item 3087 is better than bork though.

Nar7ia1 votes

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item 3031 item 3087 is better than bork though.

Exactly! Tbh it has been that way since botrk's % current hp dmg got nerfed. It is just now people are finally picking up AD/Crit vayne build and realizing how strong it is. Hence why so many vayne QQ posts started popping up lately.

higura6 votes

I excluded boots because well .. they are a must buy for everyone

Cassiopeia u wot m8?

Nar7ia1 votes

{quoted}

Cassiopeia u wot m8?

Yea I know she can't buy them but I was too lazy to mention it :P Anyway u got me , upvoted haha

Aptest1 votes

All you people who complain about vayne's true damage.

I implore you: Open up post match stats. See damage distribution.

You will not complain after that.

Jorencice1 votes

Thats mostly because she kills people before the true damage even procs ^-^

Aptest1 votes

I.E. the silver procs are a non-factor.

Ebolol1 votes

If she's bullshit then how come every vayne I have in my silver matches feeds their ass off

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

because its silver?

Ebolol1 votes

Well OP is low gold (5) which is basically same elo (s2) so I'm just wondering where it's coming from lol

are no name left1 votes

{quoted}

If she's bullshit then how come every vayne I have in my silver matches feeds their ass off

Trolololololol "my personal experience in low skill games should dictate balance"

DunkinNoobs1 votes

She has a 51% winrate with an average of 123 games played (the highest among adcs by nearly 20 games). That's not good. That's mediocre. You want a champ that's OP? MissFortune 55% winrate with 51 average games played.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

miss fortune is way easier punished for mistakes. its way easier to deal with mistfortune. she has legit. obvious weaknesses. vayne can outplay her weaknesses

DunkinNoobs1 votes

Vayne can't outplay her complete lack of waveclear and pushing power. And that's her biggest weakness as a champion. First time MF's are doing about as well as Vayne mains. Either MF is OP or Vayne is UP. Which is it?

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

thats irrelevant in combat

DunkinNoobs1 votes

Considering the vast majority of this game isn't combat, I'm not sure what your point is. Not having pushing power and waveclear puts Vayne into bad situations that naturally give her a disadvantage in combat. You don't get to just ignore her weaknesses to support your argument just because you don't like the champion. By contrast, champions that can push easily naturally find themselves in good situations that give them an advantage in combat. You think Darius' and Renekton's waveclear is just for show? They have it precisely because it allows them to get fights they want and then push their advantage once ahead.

Meep Man1 votes

Isn't this how you build Vayne today? item 3006 item 3031 item 3087 item 3046 item 3508 item 3142

+200 AD +115% Attack Speed (+155% Attack Speed during Youmuu's) +100% Critical Strike Chance +40% CDR +45 Flat Movement Speed, +10% Movement Speed (+17% Movement Speed With PH, +37% Movement Speed with PH and Youmuu's) +20 Armor Penetration

Main down side is no LS. Is this build correct?

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

why would you do that when you get 70 ad for free?

Nar7ia1 votes

I would replace yomumu with BT or merc scimitar and ER or PD for some defensive item like GA. ER is good if you want more burst with your Q while PD is good for dueling, If someone is really confident in their skills and don't need defensive item then I suggest keeping yomumu , not buying GA and replace PD with BT or Merc scimitar.

Veltox1 votes

Being able to crit while having %true damage it's just bad design overall. It's even worse after last q buff.

grug1 votes

hel0 guy

i am roit deisigner and i tel u rihgt now

is becoause we want evrey champoin to be fun and intractive therefore we hav givren vane many skill to make flashy plays and to kite well

on top of tatht we would also like champino to be innovativ desing for ADC who as we all know only stak damage therfore we hav innovated with champion wwho build atack speed and be same as efective as stack damage

I curently i belief she is not do many damage so therfore in upcoming season we will make her more balance and able to utilise atack speed more by make with combat invisilibity removal.

ForgiveColour1 votes

Building 4 atk speed item on vayne LUL

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

why should adcs have to choose between killing squishies or tanks?

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