Not sure how riot spagetthi coded aatrox buffs to riven

GULAG 4 U·Aug 25, 2016·2 votes·479 views

But we hell know riven ain't "struggling", but at least now we know it's possible to typo Aatrox in Riven, gg

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NahuiAug 25, 20162 votes

Riven is struggling though. Just because it's a League meme to hate Vayne and Riven buffs doesn't mean it's impossible for them to be struggling.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

50%+ winrate on a hard to play champion, you call that strugglin'?

https://champion.gg/champion/Riven This is struggling? Look at aatrox's winrate for a second.

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

Riven does struggle in high levels if play. Which is what Riot balances for mostly. Attrox is set for a rework, his kit is wonky and toxic or worthless. They won't likely buff him until the rework for divers.

DraygenBiscuitAug 25, 20162 votes

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Riven does struggle in high levels if play. Which is what Riot balances for mostly. Attrox is set for a rework, his kit is wonky and toxic or worthless. They won't likely buff him until the rework for divers.

Aatrox is good... if you have the right team and the enemies have the right team... Otherwise worthless would be the appropriate word... (Sorry Aatrox I still love you.. I promise!)

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

If aatrox is good then he wouldn't be sitting at a shitty winrate in the top lane for almost the entire season and he wouldn't be bad in the jungle since they removed devourer. The reason why you pick aatrox over jax is for the sustain and drain tank, but right now item 3165 and the other 4 items I've mentioned just completely stomps him. I'm not asking for straight up numbers buffs because I know that's not a good idea, I'm asking for QOL so his Q doesn't feel shitty and his ult worthless. I mean does giving aatrox's ult 15% movespeed to him and his allies towards enemies during the duration will make him OP? Maybe not 15% but a bit less, that might just make aatrox good without making him ridiculous. Right now most champions can just rip him apart thru his ls, so don't touch his W's LS part and he'll be fine.

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

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If aatrox is good then he wouldn't be sitting at a shitty winrate in the top lane for almost the entire season and he wouldn't be bad in the jungle since they removed devourer. The reason why you pick aatrox over jax is for the sustain and drain tank, but right now and the other 4 items I've mentioned just completely stomps him. I'm not asking for straight up numbers buffs because I know that's not a good idea, I'm asking for QOL so his Q doesn't feel shitty and his ult worthless. I mean does giving aatrox's ult 15% movespeed to him and his allies towards enemies during the duration will make him OP? Maybe not 15% but a bit less, that might just make aatrox good without making him ridiculous. Right now most champions can just rip him apart thru his ls, so don't touch his W's LS part and he'll be fine.

He is already setup for a quality of life rework. This has been addressed.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

Yes, in another year pretty much or whenever is the diver's update. It's still not a reason to make him shit, they can make his Q better in almost an instant but "it's not worth the effort"? Favoritism much?

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20162 votes

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Yes, in another year pretty much or whenever is the diver's update. It's still not a reason to make him shit, they can make his Q better in almost an instant but "it's not worth the effort"? Favoritism much?

They avoid large changes late into the season. Unless it is absolutely necessary. It's always a mistake when they do.

RalanrAug 25, 20161 votes

Look at the juggernaut rework for examples.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

So it's large to make aatrox's Q animation faster? Meanwhile they change jayce's 40% ap scaling to ad... not saying jayce doesn't need them, but that's pretty darn big.

ApocalypsicAug 25, 20162 votes

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They avoid large changes late into the season. Unless it is absolutely necessary. It's always a mistake when they do.

Can you say, Juggernaut patch :^)

But I wanna see more pentas at worlds!

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

https://champion.gg/champion/Riven struggling? Very funny.

I guess people still don't buy item 3033 item 3165 item 3110 item 3143 item 3047 because all of these items hurt aatrox extremely badly, unless riot buffs him to the point where none of these items can stop him he isn't going to be op af. And if aatro is cancer when viable, then better nerf yasuo 6 feet under with yone and zed 8 feet under with shen's father. Riven is cancer too, she has 4 mobility spells, 2 forms of cc, high damage, her only weakness is she's pretty squishy (aatrox is also very squishy) and she's gated by her cooldowns. She isn't struggling.

Fondling GemsAug 25, 20162 votes

Remember this and the next patch are very focused at the LCS scene. It was specifically mentioned. Riven is one of the champs people love to see at pro levels of play so it isn't surprising she got some pretty hefty buffs. Aatrox on the other hand is too hard to balance around to make strong before he gets reworked. To buff him enough to make him relevant in lcs would almost certainly take him back to those short lived days when he was pick or ban.

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

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Remember this and the next patch are very focused at the LCS scene. It was specifically mentioned. Riven is one of the champs people love to see at pro levels of play so it isn't surprising she got some pretty hefty buffs. Aatrox on the other hand is too hard to balance around to make strong before he gets reworked. To buff him enough to make him relevant in lcs would almost certainly take him back to those short lived days when he was pick or ban.

Thank you.

Fondling GemsAug 25, 20163 votes

I live to clarify, meme, and make Taric jokes.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

I didn't ask to make him viable for lcs
This thread is pointing out how Riot is buffing a champion that is fine (I'm not saying Riven OP) while there is a shitty champion that could use of buffs without making him OP.

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

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I didn't ask to make him viable for lcs

This thread is pointing out how Riot is buffing a champion that is fine (I'm not saying Riven OP) while there is a shitty champion that could use of buffs without making him OP.

Riven is not fine in LCS. Fixing that was an easy number adjustment. To make Attrox viable and stable in any form would take large changes. They avoid large changes late in the season. Destroying the lane swap meta late season already got them huge backlash.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

A. It's aatrox ps.

I DIDN'T SAY TO MAKE AATROX VIABLE TO LCS, DID YOU EVEN READ THE COMMENT?

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20163 votes

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A. It's aatrox ps.

I DIDN'T SAY TO MAKE AATROX VIABLE TO LCS, DID YOU EVEN READ THE COMMENT?

Yes. To make him viable and stable in ANY level of play would require drastic changes.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

Well do you play aatrox? If you don't understand his kit then why should you talk about it like you know how he needs massive changes in order to be viable? If you talk with aatrox mains, they'll tell you that his Q is really what riot needs to fix.

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

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Well do you play aatrox? If you don't understand his kit then why should you talk about it like you know how he needs massive changes in order to be viable? If you talk with aatrox mains, they'll tell you that his Q is really what riot needs to fix.

I have played him yes. Both when he was OP and after the nerfs. He is considered one of those champions who went buffed become permaban in LCS. When nerfed he is worthless even in bronze. Thus why he is slated for a rework. One of my favorites, Warwick, is slated for a rework. Thus I don't care about his current state. Because it is being addressed when they can. They have 132 champions to balance and design, around multiple levels of play, while releasing new product, and managing LCS. Especially late season. They can't get to everything at once. Riven needed only a minor number buff. Aatrox needs a rework of his mechanics, numbers and ability functionality.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

When the 5 above items exist, aatrox is manageable. He's balanceable really. Tell me how will increasing the Q's animation and making his knockup knocking everybody up in the radius (less for the sides more for the center) will make him broken? It's pure lazy to say he can't be buffed, there are things you can improve about his kit (Buffering ult during Q animation so you ult when you hit the ground, toggling w during cc) without making him broken.

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

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When the 5 above items exist, aatrox is manageable. He's balanceable really. Tell me how will increasing the Q's animation and making his knockup knocking everybody up in the radius (less for the sides more for the center) will make him broken? It's pure lazy to say he can't be buffed, there are things you can improve about his kit (Buffering ult during Q animation so you ult when you hit the ground, toggling w during cc) without making him broken.

It's not worth the effort so late into the season. He is already set for a rework.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

So basically dump people in the trash tier cause lee sin favoritism? Great logic. Also I wonder if riven would be getting buffs if it wasn't for that new skin?

Edit: Rerealse of champino riven, k?

RalanrAug 25, 20162 votes

New skin? You mean the re-release of her championship skin?

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

*So they can sell more copies of Championship riven, k

RalanrAug 25, 20162 votes

Considering how they haven't brought this out in a long time. Yes.

It's one of the most asked for skins in the game.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

So buff riven for more sales of the skin and leave aatrox because giving him QOLs is though and will make him broken... I guess riot wants to give Yi's highlander MS to aatrox's ult now? Cause hell making his Q's animation won't make him OP/Broken.

RalanrAug 25, 20162 votes

You aren't helping your argument. You're only making yourself more bitter and biased.

And please don't reply with, "Riot is biased" or something along the lines of that. No matter if it's true or not, it's only proving my point about your argument.

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

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So buff riven for more sales of the skin and leave aatrox because giving him QOLs is though and will make him broken... I guess riot wants to give Yi's highlander MS to aatrox's ult now? Cause hell making his Q's animation won't make him OP/Broken.

Buffing Riven is changing a number. Aatrox needs far more.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

Implying Riven's high infight mobility plus cc and ad shield is fun to play against

Implying i'm asking for number buffs on aatrox when I clearly said fix the clunkyness of his Q.

Fondling GemsAug 25, 20162 votes

It would be like fixing yorick ghoul AI right now. There isn't much point in tuning a champ that is part of the rework list. If a champ is already going to have intensive work put into them it is a better use of time management to spend time on champs that will not be getting major overhauls.

In any case as I said this patch isn't focused on champs that aren't competitive picks. Even with certain items aatrox is known to get crazy out of control when receiving buffs. With as meh as he is right now and considering that the patch is focused around champs that are going to be pick ups in the lcs it would take some pretty heavy buffing to make aatrox a pick.

Note that I am not saying aatrox doesn't need or deserve buffs. i am saying that in the context of this patch and the next it doesn't make sense to buff him. Personally I don't think Aatrox doesn't deserve some QOL buffs. I am simply explaining why it doesn't make sense to buff him in these patches.

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

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It would be like fixing yorick ghoul AI right now. There isn't much point in tuning a champ that is part of the rework list. If a champ is already going to have intensive work put into them it is a better use of time management to spend time on champs that will not be getting major overhauls.

In any case as I said this patch isn't focused on champs that aren't competitive picks. Even with certain items aatrox is known to get crazy out of control when receiving buffs. With as meh as he is right now and considering that the patch is focused around champs that are going to be pick ups in the lcs it would take some pretty heavy buffing to make aatrox a pick.

Note that I am not saying aatrox doesn't need or deserve buffs. i am saying that in the context of this patch and the next it doesn't make sense to buff him. Personally I don't think Aatrox doesn't deserve some QOL buffs. I am simply explaining why it doesn't make sense to buff him in these patches.

Exactly.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20162 votes

I'll give it to you about the lcs buffs, but aatrox has been in a crappy state for much longer. And the fact riot makes changes for LCS but many of them are really bad for the rest of the players is really annoying. Like Rek'sai Getting Azir'd.

Fondling GemsAug 25, 20162 votes

The Rek nerfs aren't that severe outside of high levels of play. Her ult isn't really utilized well outside of that. Mostly used for getting back into the jg.

Her tunnels did have a pretty freaking short cd too.

NahuiAug 29, 20161 votes

Her*

Fondling GemsAug 29, 20161 votes

I know not of what you speak...

twiddles thumbs and whistles innocently

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

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https://champion.gg/champion/Riven struggling? Very funny.

I guess people still don't buy because all of these items hurt aatrox extremely badly, unless riot buffs him to the point where none of these items can stop him he isn't going to be op af. And if aatro is cancer when viable, then better nerf yasuo 6 feet under with yone and zed 8 feet under with shen's father. Riven is cancer too, she has 4 mobility spells, 2 forms of cc, high damage, her only weakness is she's pretty squishy (aatrox is also very squishy) and she's gated by her cooldowns. She isn't struggling.

At high levels of play. High Diamond and Challenger as well as LCS. Riven has four weaknesses. She is squishy. If her combo is interrupted she is screwed. Some of her primary combos in lane are very telegraphed. If she doesn't get fed she is a highly mobile minion level damage source with a .75 second stun.

Attrox is setup for a rework. And likely won't be buffed until then. They don't want him seeing play until fixed.

Mira Arya EntheAug 25, 20161 votes

"Riven has 4 dashes." Which all together are barely as long as most other single leaps in the game, and take high skill to reliably leap walls with.

GULAG 4 UAug 25, 20161 votes

It's still 4 mobility components and makes her able to dance around an enemy. It's not long, but it's still something and makes her pretty hard to gank without buttloads of hard cc.