"We can't forgive players with AFK teammates because people will abuse the system."

DOUBLE TAPPED E··4 votes·1,076 views

People already abuse the system.

Let's look at two scenarios with an AFK player on one team, and where that AFK player's team loses:

  1. The winning team gains LP, even though the match was unbalanced. The losing team with the AFK loses LP like normal, the AFK player gets some mark on their leaver record or something.

In this situation, the winning team is happy because they get their LP, and the losing team is sad because they lose LP and feel like they didn't deserve to. Who cares what the AFK player feels honestly.

  1. The winning team gains LP, even though the match was unbalanced. The losing team with the AFK loses 0 LP and loses 0 MMR, and the AFK player loses LP like normal and gets a mark on their leaver record or something.

In this situation, the winning team is happy because they get their LP, and the losing team is happy because they weren't punished for a loss that was not their fault.

Many rules in this game have been justified by the reasoning "It doesn't matter how YOU feel if you are ruining the game for 9 other people." So what that means to me is "The most important thing in a game of League is to make as many of the players in that game happy as possible."

Well, in situation 1, 5 players are happy, and 4-5 players are sad. In situation 2, 9 players are happy, and 1 player is sad.

Situation 2 seems like it fits better with the philosophy that governs a majority of the rules in this game, so why does Riot opt for situation 1?

(Also a weird note about numbered lists on the boards, if you have an explanation between two points, it resets to 1. unless you use parentheses 1), 2), etc.)

15 Comments

Jamaree3 votes

Because with situation two, people will entice, bully, demand, coerce, etc, people to afk to not lose LP?

DOUBLE TAPPED E2 votes

People will ALWAYS find a way to abuse every single system, and I'm pretty sure "enticing, bullying, demanding, or coercing" a teammate to throw the game is already a bannable offense.

Jamaree1 votes

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People will ALWAYS find a way to abuse every single system, and I'm pretty sure "enticing, bullying, demanding, or coercing" a teammate to throw the game is already a bannable offense.

It is, but if wintrading is already a problem, then so will this as well.

DOUBLE TAPPED E2 votes

At least with a new system in place the real AFKs would not be punishing anyone but the AFK player.

haaaaaaalp1 votes

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Because with situation two, people will entice, bully, demand, coerce, etc, people to afk to not lose LP?

Players who want to win have the exact same motivations to bully, demand, coerse, etc, people on the other team to afk.

MagicFlyingLlama2 votes

That is not abuse of the system.

Abuse would be someone queuing with a throwaway that disconnects every losing game for loss prevention.

DOUBLE TAPPED E2 votes

Easy fix: The system stops working at a certain ELO, to prevent abuse in high ELO matches where the stakes are higher and it's easier to guarantee hitting the right match with a dummy account.

MagicFlyingLlama2 votes

People will abuse that shit all the way to Iron IV

DOUBLE TAPPED E3 votes

There's no way you won't get banned going AFK in every single losing match, c'mon now...

"Other accounts."

People aren't made of money, and leveling new accounts takes time.

MagicFlyingLlama2 votes

A throwaway account costs a couple dollars, same people who already abuse smurfs would abuse it, except far worse.

DOUBLE TAPPED E1 votes

Yeah they use their knowledge of how games are won and lost to "soft int" to lose rank / entertain their friends / streams, but everyone already knows that doesn't get people banned so it's not really abuse, and they don't have to constantly replace those accounts.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

Depends on the individual. 4$ a day between a few people to get on-demand loss prevention? No big deal.

DOUBLE TAPPED E1 votes

Right but if you're playing anywhere from mid-bronze to high gold (where the vast majority of the playerbase plays) there are so many people playing that it's highly unlikely you'll get matched in the same game, unless you duo, and that's another easy fix, if your duo goes AFK, you don't get loss prevented either. Best to find someone with a stable connection next time :D

5050BS1 votes

Riots Ranked system is complete trash. Its badly coded, its badly designed and badly managed.

Kai Guy1 votes

Riots behavior systems need updateing all around. Id like a behavior red again.

For leavers id want leave buster to send all players on the afk/leaver a message regardless of report. With the name champ and punishment all included.

Why waste time on symptoms when the cause is cureable.

Also lp is a distraction and you can't trust the community at all to not abuse refunds.

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