I'm actually so tired of Irelia

NodirjonSattarov··5 votes·1,813 views

Before I think I had a standing chance during the laning phase to mitigate some of her damage with Ryze shield combos but now since shield combos are gone and W no longer roots without E it is actually unbearable. The champion literally moves too quick to EW effectively and when she's on top she can go in and out faster than Yasuo. She builds 1 item and perma clears waves, manipulates the back line to jump onto champions play safe, has long ranged stun which I agree may be hard to land but the window for the second part of her stun is too long, and heals on her Q. I get she's a bruiser but I die in seconds, not extended battles. If she lands her R, I'm dead. If she gets on top of me with Q I'm dead, if she lands stun I'm dead. The only part of her kit that isn't an issue is her damage reduction. Is there really no way to shift some power?

The argument that Irelia is weak because she doesn't perform as well as top tier bruisers is pathetic. Simply saying Irelia is weak because she isn't as good as Camille, Jax, or Riven therefore nothing needs to be done to her is not a good argument.

Lastly, her Q has 20 mana for an ability that she incessantly spams while having 200 AA range for a melee champion. She can get in 3 autos before she has to get closer to me.

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preternatural3 votes

new ryze is obnoxious shitter tier champion honestly "look @ me everyone i can E + Q" E + Q E + Q E + Q E + Q

NodirjonSattarov2 votes

what does EQ actually do though besides damage? Literally nothing

preternatural1 votes

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what does EQ actually do though besides damage? Literally nothing

clears the wave, so now I can't fight unless I'm playing something that likes being alone with ryze and his minions.

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

you do realize that before seraphs that clearing the minion wave isn't accessible with just one EQ? Am I supposed to just surrender the wave to Irelia and pick up the scraps?

preternatural1 votes

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you do realize that before seraphs that clearing the minion wave isn't accessible with just one EQ? Am I supposed to just surrender the wave to Irelia and pick up the scraps?

you are describing what people have to do with this new ryze because he built a tear of the goddess. no AP no CDR he just got mana and he get's to do what you're describing, force people to give up waves and pick up scraps. but yeah you're a ryze main innit so you don't see that, but ok there's this EDGE CASE champion called Irelia that is making you think twice about EQ'ing the wave. what a disaster i must make a forum thread about it how dare this champion put manners on me for my braindead pushing combo.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

Just don't pick Ryze any more. They removed all the rewards for skill expression from his kit in exchange for not actually making him better for newer Ryze players. He's basically out of the game now.

DOUBLE TAPPED E1 votes

True, even Kat beats him straight up, with equal items and assuming every ability hits, starting at level 6 and going until very very late game. It's kinda sad, Ryze used to be an exciting matchup where I had to use my brain a little.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Pick Poppy!

Especially with the new change incoming, she's gonna DOMINATE Irelia, Riven, etc. 'Cause she's gonna ground anyone she successfully blocks one dash on.

DOUBLE TAPPED E1 votes

She's very snowbally and frustrating to play against, but she can be beaten. It just requires all of the following to be true:

  1. She has no stun.
  2. She has not stacked her passive yet.
  3. She has no conqueror.
  4. She has no w.
  5. She has no ulti.
  6. She misses her Q reset on a minion.

If all of these things are true you have the green light to fight Irelia, and maybe you will beat her maybe not. Good luck and godspeed.

Minimac20001 votes

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She's very snowbally and frustrating to play against, but she can be beaten. It just requires all of the following to be true:

  1. She has no stun.
  2. She has not stacked her passive yet.
  3. She has no conqueror.
  4. She has no w.
  5. She has no ulti.
  6. She misses her Q reset on a minion.

If all of these things are true you have the green light to fight Irelia, and maybe you will beat her maybe not. Good luck and godspeed.

Uh, levels 1-3 if you manage to get to the wave first and zone her from it you can definitely fight her on almost any (nonadc) top lane champion. Knowing the matchup from experience, with a minion wave advantage you can solo her level 2-3 on nautilus with EW, sion with QW, illaoi if she gets hit by an e and you have leveled either other ability, darius (duh), riven (duh), even maokai has the damage to out trade her if you keep her stacks down. After that and after she gets triforce yeah, no. If you haven't smashed her by then or got camped by their jg run for your life not that it will matter with all the dashes lol. I hate irelia btw at least as much as I hate fiora but her early lane is indeed abusable

5or6stores1 votes

Irelia counters Ryze, especially if you were in top (you kinda can't play ryze top and complain). Irelia has so many bad matchups in toplane, but she's oppressive to almost any champ that abuses their range. She needs to stay strong so we can deal with things like Kennen Gangplank Vladimir top.

Dead Anime Dad1 votes

It's bad to compare a champ to themselves in Aram but holy shit Irelia is awful to go against in Aram with conqueror. I've yet to see one go poorly. Just buys Trinity then tank items and out damages everyone.

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

She plays like a fucking pinball machine bouncing off everyone. It's literally impossible to click on her since there isn't a gap between each Q

StormBladeMaster1 votes

Pls stop complain about Irelia...

She is impossible to play now... She is nerfed constantly... Her Q don't deal dmg... Her E is 18s long... She is so dependent of Items... Without item 3078 you don't have dmg, without item 3053 you don't have tankiness, without item 3077 you don't have dmg...

She is only viable vs ranged top now. You can't 1vs1 a Garen, a Darius, a Fiora, a Camille, a Jax, a Nasus, a Mordekaiser... You can't play her vs a melee now...

I put E on my target, i get 5 stack, i dash on her... And guess what ? I still lose trades...

I'm not awarded for placing my E and reaching my passive.

I hate what she has become, a challenger champ. Because she is only played by challengers since she is pratically impossible to play in normal elo.

Some challenger don't even target someone when they Q, Irelia is dashing so fast that i will never be able to play her like that.

Her E is so punitive. You miss it ? Have fun... 18s CD... 18s !! For a 0,75s stun like Riven, who don't deal big dmg and who is important only because she can use Q and refresh Q on target.

Her abilites are pratically scalling with AP. Her ulti is Ap, her E is ap, her W has an ap ratio... Her AD ratio on her Q is shitty, that why you go Trinity and Tiamat. The ability is so punitive. If you make a mistake and don't last hit a minion correctly, 8s in the asss.

Tiamat is here to put minions mid life, so you can be sure your Q will kill them and not fail and having 8s fcking CD.

Trinity is here because your Q don't deal dmg and don't have a great AD ratio, so if you don't have Trinity on Irelia, you don't have dmg.

In a bad matchup, you can't go tanky before Trinity and Tiamat, otherwise you won't have dmg. I tried to go item 3194 vs a Teemo before finishing Teemo and i was useless. Irelia is so much reliant on items that you can't even adapt to your opponent, you must win your lane otherwise you are fcked.

Sterak is here because otherwise, she is squishy. She can't teamfight without Sterak, not possible.

And btw, don't forget to mention the conqueror, without this rune she would be useless.

I miss the old Irelia, at least i could play her, and she wasnt nerfed constantly... I could win my lane and didn't need 10 ganks from jungler because i can't 1vs1 someone even if i have passive and placed E and R on him.

The only Irelia who are OP like you said, are the ones that are 10/0 because the top laner didn't know how to play vs her or because her jungler gank top.

Jacadi1 votes

Don't u know about item 3091 ? Irelia is still very strong if played correctly

StormBladeMaster1 votes

Why would you go dmg before going tankiness in a lose matchup ?

Then, it's a meta problem, and especially tanks items who are bad so taking an AS magic resist item is better than taking HP magic resist with a passive made to reduce dmg dots.

Irelia is good vs ranged matchup only... Otherwise she is useless.

You can't 1 vs 1 a Mordekaiser, a Garen, a Darius... Only if they are bad but they are way easier than Irelia to play.

Irelia is too much nerfed, too much punitive. Why you would like to play a champ were not a single mistake is allowed ? You fail your E, you are dead, you fail your Q you are useless... You don't have your passive, you can't win trade...

Irelia is based on "perfection". It's need to change. We aren't perfection and we don't want to champ who is only based on "perfection". We needs some mistakes allowed.

The problem is her stupid kit who is too hard to balance. Riot has no choice except making her a "perfection champ" who is based on 0 mistakes possible if you want to be useful with her.

The other solution is to get feed by the jungler or by the opponent.

There is no "playing correctly" with Irelia, it's "playing perfect" but we aren't robots so we can't play "perfect" everytime.

The old Irelia was lacking of identity and gameplay for sure, but i hate the new one because constantly nerfed to the point that not a single mistake is allowed if you want to enjoy her.

Her passive is useless if it's not 5 stacks.

You can have 1, 2, 3 or 4 stacks, it's useless. Only the fifth stack is useful because it's bring the dmg she needs. After all it's useless to gain AS if you don't have dmg. It's pretty stupid because this passive is what makes her useless and OP at the same time.

4 stacks, it's useless but the 5th stack put her in a "god mode". This is not a crescendo, it's brutal.

They could have made like : she gains 4% AS and 4 AD per stack but no, it's full AS and the 5th bring enormous dmg.

Her W is lacking of dmg, people use this spell vs minions so they can dash with Q on them after and regen.

Her E has 18s CD at lvl 1... Don't deal signifiant dmg, only here for Q.

I love Irelia but i don't like the fact that you need to be TF Blade just to make the champion "viable". I played Azir, Taliyah... Hard champions and no ones gave me trouble like this new Irelia. I could do some mistakes even if it's was punished.

With Irelia ? No way, you can't do a mistake. You fail Q and you don't last hit correctly the minion, you get fcked.

You fail E, you can't dash and you get fcked twice because of the CD.

You don't have your passive fully stacked ? You can't trade, niet, not possible.

You don't have Trinity and Tiamat ? You don't have dmg, you are useless.

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