How I feel playing against fiora.

Slave Knight··2 votes·529 views

Hey guys I'm not sure if this is entirely appropriate for the "gameplay" board but for the sake of soaking out all my saltiness, here goes nothing.

As an Aatrox player who pretty much plays this guy exclusively, I have played into pretty much every match up possible. Some lanes are tough, some are even tougher... but when I get matched up with fiora, It's almost like it's decided from the beginning... that I don't have a hope in the world to win against her. No matter how hard I try, no matter how many times I experiment with different modes of aggression, I can't shake off the fact that Fiora will undoubtedly win the early game, win the mid game and win the late game.

She is a duelist whose kit is so aggravatingly strong that regardless if I'm trading or farming 1 minion every 12 seconds with my blades of torment, I feel absolutely helpless in her wake. Her zoning is absolutely bull honky, her passive is a constant reminder that if I even make one false step, there's a super long range hit and run Q incoming. When she gets that W to even 1 point, I wonder if I should even remain in lane. Dark flight into her and trade with an empowered W? Riposte into auto into q into auto. It's a nightmare. The fact that it stops damage and then dispels any form of CC means its double the trouble. But that's not even all, you get this added bonus of crippling any other duelist's attack speed for free and slowing them if they didn't CC. This ability hurts either way you use it. You can't run and you can't hide (or you'll lose a tower). Sigh and I'm not into listing abilities because it usually skews how a champion really plays out but man, then you look at her E. Once she hits levels 3, she is an all inning (and occasional backing out) machine. She can theoretically "kite" you with both her Q and E if you're a melee or auto attack reliant champ and then if you hard engage onto her, you know what's coming next. Sigh. The ult is just the cherry on top to be honest, I wouldn't mind it if she didn't have everything else but it's devastating knowing that as a sustain champ you get outdamaged, "outskilled" and outsustained all at once.

Is she a rewarding champion to play? Yes... but maybe a little too rewarding.

Does she have risk involved? Yes of course, but then again every champion does and she has so many defensive/offensive capabilities to turn situations around in an instant.

Is she fun to play? Now this is where you'll probably see my bias, I don't play Fiora. Never have and at this point in time, I don't think I ever will. Some may enjoy this new added power to her kit but for others on the receiving end... it feels like you're playing the bot knowing well she's going to cream you like fodder and leave lane with that 9 minute hydra.

I've played against her on more than a few occasion and my history with her has always been heavily in her favour. I know that lane match ups don't dictate the result of the entire game but for "snowball" reliant or "farm reliant" champions like Aatrox, it's such a disfavour to the team coming out with little to no contribution capacity because from the get go, you were "HARD countered".

Most Fioras I meet are very nice people, they don't rage or scream in chat... but it sucks so much knowing how much you have to concentrate to even farm, let alone shut her down in comparison to how care free Miss Baguette over there is doing, zoning you without even knowing it.

If there's a way to beat her with my main Aatrox, please help a fellow out. At this point, it's heartbreaking going into lane against her :(

TL;DR - Fiora is very tough to play against as other duelists who rely solely on auto attacks. Playing against her is not very fun, she has weaknesses that are far too short to capitalise on and her offensive abilities hurt more than people take them for granted.

10 Comments

Myrddin2 votes

Aatrox gets hard countered by someone else being in the game, just saying.

i enjoy Fiora the last nerf i think hit her in the right place. She does have counters in lane, i've had good luck with Renekton Swain Irelia.

I think she's fine, would hate to see her damage nerfed and thus just become unplayable like some champions (Aatrox)

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Slave Knight2 votes

Hi, thanks for the reply (and suggestions!)

I haven't played swain a whole lot so I'm not sure how that plays out but for the others, I can see both Renekton and Irelia doing decent/good against Fiora. But, the thing about these guys is... Renekton is meant to be THE go-to bully against champions melee champions, so him being good against Fiora isn't really a tell tale sign that she has significant weakness outside of being straight up outdamaged by another champion. Also doesn't he have pretty poor scaling/teamfight potential lategame? Kind of like old garen seeing as how he's tied to very limited mobility, 1 hard cc and then spells during a teamfight (also he's going to be probably building tanky so there goes his damage). Irelia looks like a solid skill match up seeing as how both kits are really, really similar but even still, there was a time when Irelia was straight up bonkers. Outside of those 3, is there anyone who really puts up a match against her? Because if she's only limited to those 3 counters I'm not really sure it's fair to say she's "fine" where she is =.

Like you, I would hate for any champion to get gutted based on simply conjecture and feedback alone. I'm not shipping the "better nerf fiora" nerfs onto her but just hoping that someone higher can take a look into what makes her kit really terrorising to the opponent rather than just doing number tweaks and then maybe with testing and good results, we can ease her all-around power down a bit?

As for Aatrox, haha I kind of agree that he's not in the greatest spot. Especially with all these juggernauts around, it's hard to justify the pick no? But I will only play him, he's my best champion and a reflection of my playstyle. I've gotten pretty good with him now so I don't entirely agree that he is "hard countered by someone else being in the game" :p.

If anything my entire post was centred around the new Fiora has taken my spot for being the single handed most difficult champion I have ever had the displeasure to face on the fields of justice.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Myrddin2 votes

I actually love aatrox, wish they would buff him.

I may be a bit bitter that i feel weak when playing a champion i really like. =D

Fiora could use a few number tweaks i suppose, but i really do believe it runs the risk of making it a situation similar to aatrox, where you could pick him but why.

Slave Knight2 votes

Mhmm, champion balance is really tricky. I'm no champion balancer so i'll just deal with her until our pals at Rito pinpoint a QOL fix for her. Where she doesn't get gutted, has most of her new identity intact and is still fun to play for fiora players :p

Btw, what's with your huge scores on fiora?! I haven't been able to do those for awhile haha.

Left Hook Larry1 votes

She's too safe. Before Fiora had damage, but when she got caught out of position he couldn't spam dash. Then in 2v1s if she's fed and she kills one of you it's a free double always. Not to mention that she can block anything in the game. Bullshit champ Riot really can't balance this game, or they're doing this for the money

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Only 4 out of 120+ champs can win against fiora top . She's ok with the damage as long as riot will change her to be more risky,and take actual skill

Slave Knight1 votes

Mhmm, the damage is one thing but I think the coupling with all those crazy "safety nets" really put her far above the typical "I could probably level 2 then kill you champions." (eg. pantheon, riven, garen, darius, renekton, etc.)

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

The reworked fiora is basicaly a splice of yasou & vayne; too much denial of counterplay paired with too much damage. She's more frustrating to fight than riven more often than not, regardless of who you're playing as.

Slave Knight2 votes

I do in fact see her as having a bit too much of everything. It's not the numbers on her, it's more of what she has (from mobility + poke to damage immunity and cc dispel) that really pushes the oppressive nature of who she has become. As a grand duelist you'd think 1v1's were your thing but when you got that much survivability, burst and dps all packaged in a one-fun-bundle, I guess that's where the "magic" really happens and why we're all here today haha.

Also, I think as far as champions go... Riven seems to have been hit hard enough imo. Even as one of those champions you just love to hate, any more harm to her and I'd start to feel sorry for her. Her nerfs have pretty much come full circle -> nerfed base stats, nerfed damage, nerfed cooldowns. Never thought i'd take her side but yeah, when there's another monster roaming you gotta stick together :3

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Yeah riven's been kicked down quite a bit, and I agree it's been almost to an excessive extent. I'd say the reason most people hate her are because so many mains are entitled arrogant fools, which leads to those learning to play her getting flamed for not doing well; turning into a self-serving system of aggression.

And I hear that, I love playing the tanks with deceptive damage (blitzcrank, kench, zac, ext), makes those surprise take-downs so much more satisfying X3

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