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werent we nerfing that?
get rid of this bullshit already. he outscleas 80% of the melee bruisers. while doing twice their damage early game and is tankier while being a mobile assassin drain tank. you've created a monster
PermabannedGaren18 votes????????????????
werent we nerfing that?
Even if Graves was level 18 when he had these two items (he wasn't), the scenario you are describing is impossible.
Warrior is 60 AD, as is youmuu's. If he were level 18 this would give him 222 AD.
To do 500 unmitigated damage with an auto attack, Graves would need to be level 18, hit all four bullets on an enemy champion, and have about 251 AD.
At level 18 he would have about 30 flat armour pen with his first two completed items. Let's assume you were like level 12. You would have 53.6 base armour, with runes 62.6. A theoretical youmuu's and warrior level 18 Graves with his 222 AD and his 30 armour pen would do about 331.335 damage, since his pen would bring your armour down to about 32.6.
Now, this is all bullshit of course. The Graves was obviously not close to level 18, which means his AD was lower, his armour penetration was lower, and the AD ratio on his auto attacks was lower. So in actuality he did a good deal less than 331.335 damage per auto to you specifically. I'm too lazy to calculate the Assassin, Double Edged Sword, and potentially oppressor modifiers, but frankly they don't matter. He's not dealing near five hundred damage per auto to you with two items.
So like, why are you lying?
Oh, and what is that AD garbage on your rune page as Master Yi? Run attack speed marks and quints.
MunchCrunchLunch1 voteshe was doing 500 damage an auto when he had 2 fucking items. go watch the replay
PermabannedGaren12 voteshe was doing 500 damage an auto when he had 2 fucking items. go watch the replay
This isn't possible friend, and I have already outlined why. Even if he was level 18 it would not be possible.
Stop lying.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesobviously you don't play or play against graves.
level 7account. why the fuck am i talking to you.
BladeSteel6 votesObviously its not his main account XD
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesobviously you his girlfriend or something. what do you know.
BladeSteel5 votesActually I'm not...Grow up kid. Oh is it past your bed time is that why you're so salty XD
dominusx4 votesi am his boyfriend got a problem with that tell em honey
PermabannedGaren18 votesobviously you don't play or play against graves.
level 7account. why the fuck am i talking to you.
Son, I'm going to be very blunt with you.
You are wrong, and you're embarrassing yourself and making yourself look incredibly childish by trying to feebly deny it.
I mathed out exactly how much damage a max level Graves with those items, his masteries, and his runes would do. I also just mathed out how much AD he'd have to have to do 500 damage after your armour is taken into account. He'd need 335 AD. He obviously did not have that much AD pre-level 18 with a youmuu's and the warrior enchant for his AD items. Hell, he didn't even have AD in his runes.
You are wrong, and you can either choose to be a man, suck it up, and admit that you're exaggerating, or you can continue to whine and try to attack my character (or the level of this smurf account, lol) because deep down you know you have NO ARGUMENT to counter what I've said. Because there is no argument to be had. You are wrong. The math proves it.
I'm sorry if this upsets you.
MunchCrunchLunch1 voteshow about you go ahead play the game and actually say how it works rather than stupidity that you google. you don't even play the game. your just a troll account on this forum like many others
PermabannedGaren15 voteshow about you go ahead play the game and actually say how it works rather than stupidity that you google. you don't even play the game. your just a troll account on this forum like many others
Downvote my post in your childish anger all you want friend, the calculations are easy to find and easy to plug into a calculator.
32.6 armour is approximately 25% damage reduction.
Graves at level 18 with those two items does 441.78 damage pre-mitigation. Multiply this by 0.75 and you get 331.335.
My math is correct, therefore you are wrong. Do you think your silly anecdotal evidence has validity?
Also, don't you mean "you're"? As in, the contraction of you are?
I am not a troll, and your claim has been casually debunked by an intellect many times greater than yours friend.
BladeSteel10 votesJust leave it its past his bedtime XD
Wiz the Great4 votesThis guy is legit autistic ROFL
The Red Goat2 votesTruthfully, 
isn't so bad as you might think, as he's normally easy to counter with high range poke, but you just had a poor match up. For instance, check out your team comp versus theirs.
low cc, low mobility outside of the adc, good poke on mid/support, but your adc is out ranged bot. You also have only one tanky champion in Malphite as you didn't build any truly defensive items (
actually could have done wonders for you). Teamfight wise you're at a large disadvantage because you have no way to retreat from a poor fight, but because your opponents also probably snowballed and got a lead most of the time, you couldn't set up any ambushes in order to get an ace and stabilize.
I'll bet that you personally also died a lot to being hard cc'd during your ult, as you can still be stunned during that, so a better item choice you could have made was 
as opposed to 
. That 
that I presume you were trying to build also isn't quite so good on you if you don't already have some health to spare, so a better option could have been just getting 
, or set up for Death's Dance with 
.
Lastly, having the fervor of battle keystone may not be bad on yi, but to go raw ad as well is simply poor planning. Your passive may give you a sort of attack speed buff, but it is having high attack speed already that really make the ability be so deadly in tandem with that Keystone. Think in comparison to Yasuo or Fiora. Those are the sword users that kill with a few deadly strokes. Master Yi is the type to kill with a hundred strikes in the blink of an eye. Seriously, just listen to Master Yi fight and you can tell. He doesn't usually kill in 2 or 3 hits unless he's built critical strike chance.
The trickiest thing to advancing in League is learning each and every one of these little things about your champion of choice, in tandem with every other champion you happen to be placed with or against. And to be able to do so in the span of just a few precious minutes.
Lady Hammerlock1 voteshe was doing 500 damage an auto when he had 2 fucking items. go watch the replay
Thats impossible, no champion in the game could theoretically achieve that without a crit or boost via ability
this isn't even accounting the fact that armour scales with level so the damage probably would be less then 300
he could've done this in a single rotation of bullets but no less
Nishant1 votesLogged in just to upvote this.
GULAG 4 U1 votes*20 armor pen. Warrior doesn't give Pen anymore.
PermabannedGaren2 votes*20 armor pen. Warrior doesn't give Pen anymore.
It would actually be closer to 40 flat armour pen, I forgot that youmuu's gives 20. Still won't do 500 damage, but whatever.
Miraweave7 votesbecause graves is a ranged melee bruiser assassin mage tank jungler marksman
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Freelo Robot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAURq0Z8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-09T03:39:25.255+0000)
because graves is a ranged melee bruiser assassin mage tank jungler marksman
He excels at everything?
Craft Zeppelin5 votesHe excels at everything?
yeah, bet one day he can do support while walking in the enemy faces and killing them, koz kills are best cc so you are peeling the ADC.
Ryuyah1 votesHis weakness is that he can't have a cigar
I Snipe I7 votesDude I tried graves jungle again earlier today and he feels weak as hell. Stop lying. Graves isn't even viable anymore. I was getting one shot by both hecarim and yasuo. Couldn't 1v1 anyone because as soon as they jumped on me I died.
GULAG 4 U1 votesWasn't sarcastic enough, gg
l Dárius l5 votesBecause he is building ad?
MunchCrunchLunch2 votes500 damage an auto with 2 fucking items? what are we playing URF?
l Dárius l4 votesDidn't know 2 items was mid game
FreshAsFebreze1 votes[{quoted}](name=noxus roolz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAURq0Z8,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-09T03:42:31.352+0000)
Didn't know 2 items was mid game
with Rito trying to shorten games, mid game these days feels like 15 minutes
Imperial Japan1 votes[{quoted}](name=noxus roolz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAURq0Z8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-09T03:39:04.722+0000)
Because he is building ad?
You forgot the D before roolzs
l Dárius l1 votesi hate u
Imperial Japan1 votes[{quoted}](name=noxus roolz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAURq0Z8,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2016-10-09T21:48:10.833+0000)
i hate u
Haha
MunchCrunchLunch3 voteshow the fuck do i assasinate him when he fucking does 1000 damage per second mid game.
l Dárius l3 voteshes a good duelist. you dont
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesisn't an assassin job is to kill carries? am i missing something here?
l Dárius l5 votesisnt a duelist's job to be able to 1v1 anything?
PermabannedGaren4 votes[{quoted}](name=noxus roolz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAURq0Z8,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-09T07:05:26.978+0000)
isnt a duelist's job to be able to 1v1 anything?
He was playing Master Yi, who does in fact stomp Graves 1v1 from around mid-game and onward if the Graves doesn't have a substantial lead in items/levels.
l Dárius l1 votesoh well that sounds like an issue
GULAG 4 U1 votesDodge Q return with Alpha or tank it with W. G fuking G. dead graves. Suck up the cigar and meditate with it.
Bladerunner77773 votesI don't see a jungle crit item
AwesomeChad2 votesI don't understand why his autoattack fires 3 shots in a cone. That to me is ridiculous in the first place. Regardless,there is already a temporary fix to deal with graves. Simply pick nunu and snowball him constantly. His dps drops.
five oh tree 1 votes(X) to doubt
dominusx1 votesNah as much as i'd love for it to be true since i spamm graves till they dumbster him that aint gonna happen with 2 items unless he gets a crit off. and i've tried many rune pages never had such an insane hit with 2 items
GULAG 4 U1 votesBecause you invented a myth.
Imperial Japan1 votesThe same way champs like Ezreal or jhin or Lucian does (maybe not Lucian)
JackMcSnipeyz1 votesas someone else mentioned your scenerio is not possible. Graves already got nothing but nerfs ever since his rework, his Q does medicore damage, his E is getting nerfed (probably) on the PBE, his ult falls off late game, his basic attack scaling was nerfed, you're beating a dead horse because that dead horse is beating you, he isnt top jungler, or top top laner anymore, his medicore at everything except up close burst. If you're a bruiser how about you dont try to 1v1 him unless he's behind? like how you dont 1v1 kha zix alone, or vayne?
PermabannedGaren1 votesas someone else mentioned your scenerio is not possible. Graves already got nothing but nerfs ever since his rework, his Q does medicore damage, his E is getting nerfed (probably) on the PBE, his ult falls off late game, his basic attack scaling was nerfed, you're beating a dead horse because that dead horse is beating you, he isnt top jungler, or top top laner anymore, his medicore at everything except up close burst. If you're a bruiser how about you dont try to 1v1 him unless he's behind? like how you dont 1v1 kha zix alone, or vayne?
As I said before, Master Yi dunks on Graves in a 1v1 mid game and onward if Graves doesn't have a substantial gold lead.
This Graves did. So the lesson here is don't try to 1v1 bruisers who have substantial gold leads.