Does the game seem less strategic to you?

100HorsePower·1/5/2017, 11:34:31 AM·142 votes·5,446 views

I dunno, it just seems that Riot have focused more and more on snowballing and flashy plays that they forget that League is fundamentally a STRATEGY game at its core. The problem is, there is only one real viable strategy at the moment, which is to gangbang botlane because botlane tower happens to be weaker then other towers.

One mistake dictates the entire flow of the game. But I think what is more maddening is when I see an ADC getting crushed and they somehow REFUSE to build any defense. ADC's have access to great items that allow them to gain resistances while not losing that much damage themselves (item 3156 is an example) and yet I see ADC's building the SAME WAY, pretty much every game.

League at the moment, feels more like a deathmatch then an actual game about strategy.

I suggested in one game that I go Karma support with a Yasuo top and smack about the enemy top laner until he screamed at the jungler for help. It drew the jungler up to top lane and did not allow them to do the usual gangbang in bot lane so our botlane was able to fight on even grounds with the enemy botlane and win through pure laning power. Yes, we sacrificed a jungle (I am a crap jungler anyway) but the strategy worked really well and we won the game because Yasuo got stupidly fed and I kept shielding him. (However, at the beginning, my team called me a "TROLL" until we actually started winning)

Why are people so against adapting to the current meta. Experiment, try new things. A wise man once said,

"The definition of madness is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"

If you have died in your lane, look at the scoreboard and CHANGE YOUR STRATEGY. Don't just blindly walk back into lane with your offensive only items and expect to win again.

94 Comments

Chalizard1/5/2017, 11:49:49 AM16 votes

It depends on your league, I have noticed that the higher you are the less people care what you pick unless you feed enemy like crazy. My last ranked with my friend was talon rengar bot and my teammates instead of typing "fcking troll" asked if Ivern was better than talon with rengar but they didn't say a word about our choice. We have managed to kill their Caitlyn two Times and one time thresh while they have only killed rengar once. Then he could easly go to their jungle taking his camps near blue buff and I was pretty fed with talon so it was too risky for two of them to try fight with me. We have won that easly without adc and support.

If someone blames you just ignore him, it is just a game after all and it is often worth to try new strategy.

Rockm Sockm1/5/2017, 2:27:57 PM14 votes

You realize an Adc that rushes maw went from being worthless for 15-20 minutes to 30-35?

You have zero choice but to farm safely and try to hit your power spikes.

No defensive rush is going to help you not die faster with those kits. If the enemy bot got a snowball lead, it's not like you can fight them cause you got a chain vest.

The only options you have are early boots to kite back and double Dorans to survive lane.

Shuriman Curator1/5/2017, 1:26:17 PM8 votes

I primarily play top and mid, and to be honest I wouldn't mind going duo top with a support, or better yet id rather support a top laner than going bot. It's just too much of a shit show down there.

Anyone on NA want to give it a go with duo top? Id do it.

GarthBrooksXD1/5/2017, 11:40:08 AM5 votes

Don't worry dude. They are buffing adcs soon, and I kinda suspect they may tune down the tower fb gold or get rid of it because that is just another thing that is making games snowball so quickly.

SmileInABox1/5/2017, 4:07:13 PM4 votes

I'll tell you from experience man, item 3156 will not save you as an ADC. If a Katarina or Syndra is fed they will just kill you straight through the shield. The only way it'll actually help you survive is if you have lifesteal, and if you build both a item 3156 and aitem 3072 early you're delaying triple crit which is integral on champs like Caitlyn or Twitch and you're gonna be worthless. The only champs that it's okay to build defensively on early are ADC's that don't build crit like MissFortune and Draven, and it still probably won't save them if they aren't fed out of their minds.

Hauling Ashe1/5/2017, 4:19:16 PM4 votes

If you want us to build item 3156 then don't blame us when we're not doing enough DPS. And don't expect it to magically save us from the 4-man bot gank.

Wheatloaf1/5/2017, 5:13:28 PM4 votes

It's incredibly difficult to get 5 random people to execute on a strategy they don't already know. Thus, things tend towards everyone playing the current meta to a T, rather than risking something new.

Chizzah1/5/2017, 7:56:14 PM3 votes

Building defense especially in elo hell is asking to lose as an ADC. With the 2 hybrid offensive / defensive items and let's say a GA. You will stil get killed almost immediately because you lacking Health to make your resistances mean something for you.

Learn to play safe. Never rely on your team even if they are reliable. Always play as if someone is out to get you because they are.

Forever Bronze V

ModCaptainMårvelous1/5/2017, 6:06:01 PM2 votes

That's player problem, not game problem. I don't know about you but League has always had a trickle-down mentality where the top tier of players experiment and try new things while those below plat/diamond just take the scraps and copy things without truly understanding why they work. (ADC Ziggs.)

Vesemir1/5/2017, 3:17:36 PM2 votes

Today i couldnt burst the adc down with lux having 712 AP and a void staff because adc had item 3156 and item 3026 . Is this a joke? What am i supposed to do.

Gnart Even Close1/6/2017, 1:22:23 AM2 votes

I mean, it's only one part strategy. There was a really great post recently about how League is one part strategy, one part tactics, and one part RPG stat check. I think many people get far too wrapped up in the tactics that they forget about the other parts, especially when playing mechanically intensive roles such as ADC or certain carry champs (cough cough riven, cough cough yasuo). It's hard for people to change their mindset of the game, but really the only way you can become a better player is by looking at ALL aspects of the game rather than just one. It does seem like the vast majority of people don't even realize that much.

Delphinium1/6/2017, 3:53:09 PM1 votes

Too snowballing, make the game unfun

Serika Zero1/6/2017, 8:20:43 AM1 votes

"The definition of madness is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"

I hate this so much. Guess what genius. You are playing this game over and over again expecting a different result. And guess what genius. There is always gona be something different as you can't control all variables.

The "wise man" was making a joke at geniuses that would take it to seriously. Practice makes perfect is another saying, by no famous man and much much MUCH more closer to the truth.

By repeating the same process over and over again, once can see different "results" based on different variables. And tune it till it reaches the desired outcome. That's why, when you well a little brat and wanted to walk. You TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED, and you STUMBLED countless times. Were you insane? Were all of us INSANE? no, its normal to try multiple times to see if you can get that different result its normal and human to expect different results to same actions COZ WE DON'T LIVE IN VOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Secretlolz1/6/2017, 10:49:47 AM1 votes

I think ADC's builds should be the Antithesis to juggernaut's builds: if they can build 1 damage item and full defense, and stomp, ADCs can build 1 defense item and full damage and stomp.

I usually buy 1 defensive item, and thats enough general burst threatitem 3022 AD threathitem 3742 vs diver CCitem 3814 vs AP burstitem 3156

People usually shut up when I outlive 3 the enemy Vi, irelia and Diana diving me

SpecterVonBaren1/6/2017, 2:09:06 PM1 votes

The players in games will immediately scream at an ADC if they don't build pure damage. Why would anyone want to go defensively if it weakens the entire point of them being in the game AND all but guarantees that they'll get flammed for it.

100HorsePower1/5/2017, 7:56:11 PM1 votes

Can people stop pretending that ADC's absolutely need nothing but damage. Other classes can deal damage as well just as reliably and hell, you have have Graves who is tanky and can deal out massive damage. So not EVERY ADC needs to be built exactly the same way, like a glass cannon or else they suck. Other classes can make up for the loss in damage of an ADC.