The Self-Entitlement of League Players

100HorsePower··13 votes·1,615 views

I do have a theory about Riot continually favoring ADC's and other AD based champions over AP when it comes to balance passes and it really comes down to simple business practices.

Your demographic consists of a younger slice of the gaming community who have been brought up in an era where they have continually been told "you're special" despite you being nothing different from anyone else's offspring. As a result, people develop a sense of entitlement.

The problem with the multiplayer gaming community, especially when it comes to PvP, rather then PvE which is almost completely opposite. In PvP games, most people WANT things to be easy. They want to get the most kills in the game and best other players to consider themselves special. ((This explains why there are so many MasterYi mains at low ELO)).

Therefore Riot have somewhat acknowledged this. They know that if they nerfed Vayne or LeeSin and somewhat Yasuo for example, they would cause a MASSIVE outcry in the largest demographic in the game (People who love these champions) and they would lose the potential income since these people also play other champions and Riot continues to shovel skins and cosmetics down people's throats in order to make them cough up cash.

That is what a lot of people fail to understand with Riot, its not YOU that they care about, its your WALLET. They will do what their biggest demographic wants to get the MOST profit and as a result, the game suffers and everyone else suffers because what the hungry whale majority want is NOT usually what is healthier for the game since they have this inbuilt need for instant gratification and feeling special and somehow entitled.

A product of mass capitalism and our time, I'm afraid.

Edit

Adding some further evidence for this theory.

"Back in the 1950's especially here in the United Kingdom (believe the same happened about the USA). People genuinely believed in the "common good" and did more things out of kindness then they would today. They also respect authority and most knew where the line was. Kids today are growing up with the delusion that they are "special" because discipline in schools was seen as child abuse and banned, which handed all the power over to the children, of which a select few learned to manipulate it and accuse people without evidence, destroying that person's life in the process.

Now people are too scared to discipline their children which has lead to an era of self-entitled kids that believe the world owes them something and that they are important in themselves and not just pieces of a greater whole. This drive towards selfishness is why people on this game, just as a tiny example are MOSTLY toxic (not all, since there are always statistical anomalies)."

31 Comments

Stephenizgod5 votes

and then you realize Yasuo and Lee are getting nerfs/changes soon and Vayne was just nerfed.

100HorsePower1 votes

Yes but how long have they been top of the meta. I doubt that any major changes will be affecting any of them as Riot will want to keep them popular and keep the money rolling.

Big Lincoln1 votes

only for a couple of patches

100HorsePower1 votes

I totally agree, its one long, continuous cycle designed to ensnare people. Making changes to the game ensures that people will keep playing, even when its essentially different variations on the same theme.

Big Lincoln1 votes

No, I meant those champs were only meta/god-tier for a couple of patches

they're cancer all the time but they weren't that good for a while

Stephenizgod1 votes

Lee and Vayne have only recently hit top tier (although they have been top tier many many times, they always get nerfed in some way then buffed needlessly), Yasuo is just annoying and toxic. Doesn't mean he is OP, just that his kit is stupid and he ruins the game for everyone on the enemy team.

BlueBilberry2 votes

A valid point.

Korillo2 votes

You know you're getting old when you start blaming those damn kids. Shakes fists

Ralanr2 votes

I love how people think Riot favors AD or AP whenever the other is strong.

Rock MD2 votes

What?

They literally just nerfed Vayne and Lee has nerfs on the PBE.

The fuck?

100HorsePower1 votes

Again, this is rather short-sighted. You need to look in the long term of the consistent treatment of these champions over the last few years.

doublelift fg1 votes

Remind me how this lee nerf will affect his early game again? Lee is straight up bullshit, and instead of nerfing his safe clear or his massive imbalanced early game damage they decided to nerf his late game and 50 damage at lvl 6, this nerf is here to just shut the fuck up board. Real Lee mains will continue to abuse the train

And don't let me start on vayne, she deserves to be on kalista tier along with cait

IcyPepper2 votes

As a result, people develop a sense of entitlement.

I don't know about you, but i've seen this "self-entitlement" long before this generation.

It goes even further before the founding of NA.

100HorsePower1 votes

True but back in the 1950's especially here in the United Kingdom (believe the same happened about the USA). People genuinely believed in the "common good" and did more things out of kindness then they would today. They also respect authority and most knew where the line was. Kids today are growing up with the delusion that they are "special" because discipline in schools was seen as child abuse and banned, which handed all the power over to the children, of which a select few learned to manipulate it and accuse people without evidence, destroying that person's life in the process.

Now people are too scared to discipline their children which has lead to an era of self-entitled kids that believe the world owes them something and that they are important in themselves and not just pieces of a greater whole. This drive towards selfishness is why people on this game, just as a tiny example are MOSTLY toxic (not all, since there are always statistical anomalies).

IcyPepper1 votes

You think it's only kids?

People genuinely believed in the "common good" and did more things out of kindness then they would today. They also respect authority and most knew where the line was.

The problem I have here is that you're generalizing today's generations, where we're just people. People back in the 1950's weren't perfect, even with nostalgia goggles. They were flawed just people today are, and people today are fully capable of believing in a common good and doing acts of kindness.

100HorsePower1 votes

Is that why we are seeing a rise in right wing attitudes across the world. Most people are "I'm ok with other cultures, other people, other skin colours... as long as I don't have them on my lawn" and its this attitude that has lead to a liberal extremist left that runs around called everyone "racist" for not bending over straight away to the will of different cultures/religions.

Obviously, I am not condoning right wing beliefs but I can see WHY people are angry. Because people are being ignored and called "bigots" all the time.

IcyPepper1 votes

I'm not really understanding what you're trying to say here, or what era you're trying to describe anymore.

Those left and right-wing attitudes you're describing? North America alone has been like that since its founding.

Requiemsfire1 votes

1950's even in the UK was not an era of kindness like you're making it out to be.

100HorsePower1 votes

No, but back then, kids had a level of discipline that they simply DO NOT have today or respect for authority because of that loss of discipline. I think we all know what discipline is and what child abuse is and I think a common sense approach to child discipline is much better then none at all.

Requiemsfire1 votes

You do know the 1950s was an age of rebellion for teenagers right? Where they formed gangs, listened to the new hip music called "Rock" and wore offensive clothing where a battle for independence was waged in the political community.

TwinkiePro1 votes

Better capitalism than communism.

Myrmiron1 votes

I have to disagree and say that Riot doesn't give a flying fuck about my wallet. They just want the money inside it. I know, I know. Epic joke.

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/161206/6ns3tse8.jpg

Denims Wrath6661 votes

@op first off, fuck you. straight up. now we got that outta the way lemme give you a bit of a theory of mine about generation y as well. when it comes down to it, we were conditioned to try and feel a self enthusiasm for all the people around us and acceptance (besides accepting those dastardly bullies that everyone was so scared about)... given a chance to be ignorant to the ugly truths with a bliss of false individuality when in reality that comes from role models. its a real shocker that we turned out so bad right?

tldr; blame generation x (which i bet alot of riot consists of surprisingly) for the reason generation y sucks. this is why we get so mad when riot doesn't actually give a damn and it makes us as a community extra salty.

Requiemsfire1 votes

There are nerfs coming for all 3 of those champions. :l

Also that's not evidence, that's just conjecture.

Sckullzz1 votes

Not a bad analysis!

  1. Acknowledging the attitude of Millennials is important because it gets to the issue with attitudes. I doubt it's only with Millennials, it's probably with a large audience not limited to one particular sect of people.

  2. Also acknowledging the higher than normal younger player base because it's free and parents don't have to pay anything for it. The will pull in players that wouldn't be able to play games like WoW and others that have a hefty up front fee or a monthly subscription.

But there are a couple flaws I see.

  1. Riot is a GAMING COMPANY, so of course they want to make money. That isn't a bad thing. Employees at Riot have families to feed and bills to pay.

  2. They actually don't force anyone to buy anything. The game is completely free and all the cosmetics and costumes are OPTIONAL to purchase. And yes, going back to Riot being a gaming company, they want their revenue products to be appealing and desired. They wouldn't make a skin so garbage that no one will want it. That would be bad business.

100HorsePower1 votes

I am not debating that Riot is a company and needs to make money. What I have objection to is the WAY they make money. They do spend a lot of time manipulating the actual balance of the game in order to keep people spending on the game. Yes, the Free 2 Play model is good and does give access to people that would not be able to afford a subscription game.

However...

It has been outright RECORDED that children has stolen their parents credit cards to pay for Riot Points. Riot obviously refuses to take any responsibility for this however, their own payment system is incredibly easy to use, designed with the least amount of verification (Especially if you have a paypal account). It's like being a tobacco company and telling a kid the benefits of smoking and then denying responsibility when they start.

This game has become a lot more "kid-friendly" or "teenage-friendly" over the years, even in art style and mechanically (simplifying Alistar mechanics etc). It has also become clear that a lot of the advertising focus has shifted to young teenagers and young adults.

Their advertising on the client, almost encourages people to buy consistently and Riot make balance changes and new skins based off popularity ALONE, rather then what is good for the game. Capitalism is good... except for when it interferes in a fair game (which happens in many sports with bribing and betting rackets.)

Sckullzz2 votes

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I am not debating that Riot is a company and needs to make money. What I have objection to is the WAY they make money. They do spend a lot of time manipulating the actual balance of the game in order to keep people spending on the game. Yes, the Free 2 Play model is good and does give access to people that would not be able to afford a subscription game.

However...

It has been outright RECORDED that children has stolen their parents credit cards to pay for Riot Points. Riot obviously refuses to take any responsibility for this however, their own payment system is incredibly easy to use, designed with the least amount of verification (Especially if you have a paypal account). It's like being a tobacco company and telling a kid the benefits of smoking and then denying responsibility when they start.

This game has become a lot more "kid-friendly" or "teenage-friendly" over the years, even in art style and mechanically (simplifying Alistar mechanics etc). It has also become clear that a lot of the advertising focus has shifted to young teenagers and young adults.

Their advertising on the client, almost encourages people to buy consistently and Riot make balance changes and new skins based off popularity ALONE, rather then what is good for the game. Capitalism is good... except for when it interferes in a fair game (which happens in many sports with bribing and betting rackets.)

How does game balance force people to spend money? It doesn't, plain and simple. Tempting to buy a champ on sale + skin + op when it first comes out, yes. But Riot has never put anyone in the position of, "Hey you have to buy this in order to continue playing." There is the possibility of release champs purposefully overpowered to sell them when the first come out. I have nothing that supports or denies that possibility, but that still doesn't force anyone into buying a champ. That has more to do with maturity and self-restraint, which is an individual personal problem, not a Riot problem.

A child stealing from their parents shouldn't be tied to Riot at all; it is inappropriate to hold Riot responsible for an internal-family matter. If a family can't keep their child/ren in check, that is entirely on them. Why should Riot be viewed as the legal guardian for it's player base? It's like blaming the teacher when a kid skips school, refuses to do homework, never goes in to ask for help, and flunks. And the tobacco analogy does not fit here. There are no direct health side effects from playing LoL. If a large increase of vision problems could be attributed to playing LoL, that would be something different. Stealing and health issues are completely unrelated.

I don't understand the advertising you mentioned. What are they advertising? The different events that go on like All-Stars and Worlds? They have to NOT play to view those. For other videos like All-Chat, they show the art that has been inspired form the game. That's community, not game play. And what skins are "good for the game"? skins and colors are purely cosmetic.

I think the mechanic changes could go either way. They could be geared more towards a younger audience or to just relieve clunkiness. Who enjoys playing a champ that can't use its own abilities well? Not a lot of people, if anyone. If it is to allow younger people to play, that will make it easier to use for older players and pros as well.

Big Lincoln1 votes

an easier and more likely answer is that riot is operated by dummies who don't understand what makes a good moba

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

More or less, not to mention the arrogant older players that float around too.

The Sword Saint1 votes

whale majority

Lol

PermabannedGaren1 votes

{quoted}

I do have a theory about Riot continually favoring ADC's and other AD based champions over AP when it comes to balance passes and it really comes down to simple business practices.

The irony of your title is completely lost on you, and that is the real tragedy here.

Your demographic consists of a younger slice of the gaming community who have been brought up in an era where they have continually been told "you're special" despite you being nothing different from anyone else's offspring. As a result, people develop a sense of entitlement.

The great irony is that it's a likely crotchety old fuck who is saying this and insinuating that his generation was better than the current one, or some kid who was brainwashed by a crotchety old fuck into thinking the older generations were better.

The problem with the multiplayer gaming community, especially when it comes to PvP, rather then PvE which is almost completely opposite. In PvP games, most people WANT things to be easy. They want to get the most kills in the game and best other players to consider themselves special. ((This explains why there are so many MasterYi mains at low ELO)).

A lot of unsubstantiated claims here.

Therefore Riot have somewhat acknowledged this. They know that if they nerfed Vayne or LeeSin and somewhat Yasuo for example, they would cause a MASSIVE outcry in the largest demographic in the game (People who love these champions) and they would lose the potential income since these people also play other champions and Riot continues to shovel skins and cosmetics down people's throats in order to make them cough up cash.

So you've picked a champion that has been nerfed, has nerfs on the PBE, and is stated to be likely to be nerfed in the near future?

With Yasuo in particular you have singled out one of the single most nerfed champions in the game as someone who won't be nerfed.

And once again, other than your words, what is there to substantiate what you're saying?

That is what a lot of people fail to understand with Riot, its not YOU that they care about, its your WALLET. They will do what their biggest demographic wants to get the MOST profit and as a result, the game suffers and everyone else suffers because what the hungry whale majority want is NOT usually what is healthier for the game since they have this inbuilt need for instant gratification and feeling special and somehow entitled.

So your entire argument hinges on the premise of AD being plainly better than AP and the game being balanced around this.

Your argument also hinges on AP champions being fundamentally more difficult to play than AD champions.

Statistical data shows us this is not the case, the only place where ADs reign supreme is the ADC role. Mid lane is dominated by AP, support only has AP champions without any real AD champions, the jungle is fairly varied (with Ivern, an AP champion, being the strongest jungler right now) with a preference for AD, and top lane's meta is constantly changing, with who is on top being different all the time, and usually various physical damage and magic damage champions always being viable.

A product of mass capitalism and our time, I'm afraid.

Edit

Adding some further evidence for this theory.

You provided no evidence friend, all you provided was words, which may or may not be true, but you've done nothing to substantiate them. For someone apparently from this superior generation you sure seem baffled by how to provide valid sources for your claims.

"Back in the 1950's especially here in the United Kingdom (believe the same happened about the USA). People genuinely believed in the "common good" and did more things out of kindness then they would today. They also respect authority and most knew where the line was. Kids today are growing up with the delusion that they are "special" because discipline in schools was seen as child abuse and banned, which handed all the power over to the children, of which a select few learned to manipulate it and accuse people without evidence, destroying that person's life in the process.

You can discipline a child without physically striking them, which almost all studies have demonstrated to be both an ineffective and harmful method of disciplining a child.

I'm not going to do the work for you and cite the studies though. Why would I put effort into refuting a post that had no effort put into it? That wouldn't be fair.

But I'm going to do it anyway.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-belkin/spanking-is-wrong_b_1659964.html

The actual studies are cited in the article.

Now people are too scared to discipline their children which has lead to an era of self-entitled kids that believe the world owes them something and that they are important in themselves and not just pieces of a greater whole. This drive towards selfishness is why people on this game, just as a tiny example are MOSTLY toxic (not all, since there are always statistical anomalies)."

Evidence?

You're making a lot of big claims. Claims I doubt you can prove.

I don't give a shit what you believe, and no one else should. Substantiate these claims.

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