why did they gut my fish

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Fizz

The changes are healthy in terms of design but he feels SO WEAK in terms of numbers

w passive - damage over time is substantially less and is no longer % missing hp. This is a healthy change since %missing hp is gay but it is less damage w active - big ap ratio and base damage, the w is powerful for sure, however you can use it far less often for far less sustained damage in team fights e - costs marginally less mana but shows enemies its range. Also healthy change but weaker since people can avoid the circle with greater certainty q - cooldown lower, mana lower, but applies the weaker w passive until you pop it

r - the real issue. His ult no longer adds +20% damage to your other damage. A minimum range ult does less damage then your e and w. A mid range ult does less damage than the previous version, with a 0.8 ap ratio compared to 1.0. The largest ult does more than before, in a bigger area, however it is near impossible to land on anyone with a dash or flash. So for assassinations he does far far less damage. You are very likely to not get a full sized ult off and don't do +20% so very unlikely to finish them off

Masteries and items are also a HUGE issue. Fresh blood causes you to take an additional 10-28 damage every time you walk up to last hit from a ranged opponent. Greenfathers gift is also awful in top lane because they sit in the bush and if you try to move up to farm they pop you for 3% of your hp + the fresh blood too. The item 3145 nerf also hurts my assassinations which I did purchase almost every game as fizz.

So basically, I'm doing worse assassinations with a lower expected damage output due to the r changes, but ALSO over a longer period of time due to the w changes. Plus, I am even worse off farming in lane now since harassment hurts so much more and I have no ranged stuff in my kit like Katarina Talon Zed Ekko Diana Kassadin Akali to last hit with

If I want to play an assassin, why would I EVER play him over an AD champion which gets item 3814 item 3155 item 3147 item 3142 ??????????????????

Rengo and kha still TOTALLY BLOW PEOPLE UP in one second like they used to except now they are spell shielded lmfao

Not only that, since his w is worse sustained damage, he is worse at jungle clears too. Also camps take more aoe to clear now, which he isnt amazing at compared to junglers which have aoe on more abilities. Not to mention if you're ad you get item 3252 to play with too

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fizz meistër2 votes

fizz is nerfed to the ground he is so unplayable that im about to uninstall if they dont change this shit 2 second before w thing

zacktootall1 votes

uh hmm i don't know maybe because it was annoying af

rtbf761092712 votes

They changed things to be less annoying. His ult is no longer a free kill at soon as you get lv6 since the melee ult does such low damage. His w no longer has % missing hp. He now needs to trade for longer than just qw and e away, to proc the new active w.

These are all really health changes which are of good design. However, the problem is I can't assassinate people anymore since overall the sum of these changes typically make for far less damage, even with the w proc after 2 seconds. So I'm saying the numbers are too low in certain places, especially when my team should have an assassin and I need to somehow justify him over far better champions potentially with access to the new AD items which are insanely good

zacktootall2 votes

ok congrets you just logically answer your own question

rtbf761092712 votes

wat

zacktootall1 votes

and now your trolling ok have a nice day bye

Espurr VI1 votes

item 3151 item 3157 item 3089 item 3285 More ways to kill people, plus Zhonya's is a godly item.

BakedLotion2 votes

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item 3151 item 3157 item 3089 item 3285 More ways to kill people, plus Zhonya's is a godly item.

Zhonyas, Liandrys, and Rabadons ahve all fallen out of favor. lol. Zhonyas is so bad right now because it gimps your damage

rtbf761092711 votes

I could make those items before, how does this make fizz fine now?

The way I see it, I take more damage from harass in lane with a weaker all in against them, to also have worse assassinations later in the game. The only thing better is the ult AOE in team fights. But if I want big team fight ult aoe from a range, why would I play someone melee who gets bullied all game?? I could just play Viktor Annie Brand Orianna

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