Buff suggestion for MF: At levels 11+, Strut is no longer removed by minion damage

darkdill··9 votes·598 views

Why this? It's a very safe buff that gives MF more split-push power without affecting her early game or team-fight capabilities. It also removes a real pet peeve of MF players: getting Strut knocked out by some pervert Caster Minion.

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Ad Astra per Asp1 votes

Honestly I don't know why Bloodthirster's shield can be up and strut is removed. Janna's shield can be up and it's not removed. Very inconsistent.

Onegarion1 votes

not at all. The whole point is the AD increase is there for as long as 1 hp is left on the shield. MF's passive has nothing to do with BT shield passive. Already there is a hole in what you are claiming. Janna's shield is tied to her abilites BT isn't tied to MF's abilities. There is a big difference and MF's passive stops when she takes damage. The shield from janna doesn't stop because the target takes damage. You are going to need to compare similar things if you want to make a valid argument.

Ad Astra per Asp1 votes

Similar things? Taking damage?

They are both shields, shields prevent you from taking damage. It doesn't matter where the shield comes from. I think you're very confused.

Onegarion1 votes

Being both shields is the only difference. The fact that its a shield from an ally instead of your own inventory makes a world of difference.

Ad Astra per Asp1 votes

Then they should be labled as different things. A shield is a shield no matter where you get it from. To have specific behaviors on the source of the shield is non sequitur and inconsistent.

Onegarion1 votes

I'm not saying it makes any sense. I'm trying to approach it with how it is likely coded atm. We really need to try more shields like Lulu's to see if it works the same as janna's or BT. Then we can diagnose if this is an intended result or a error that needs to be fixed. If they want it to work so that all item shields work one way and all champ shields work another than thats "ok" because at least there is some consistency, but if some items shields work one way and some champ shields work that same way, but not all then we really have a problem.

Either way I think her passive needs an update. I saw a thread that talked about making it like Garen's passive where it isn't affected by small minions after lvl 11 for a QoL change.

Rockman1 votes

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darkdill1 votes

Wrong. It'd give MF a more defined niche since Riot wants to promote split-push compositions.

Rockman1 votes

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darkdill1 votes

Whatever, I still say this buff needs to happen because of QoL.

Rockman1 votes

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darkdill1 votes

Not saying you're wrong to call it rotations. Just saying that it's not entirely relevant, and that MF could use this buff because it'd be handy.

Rockman1 votes

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darkdill1 votes

Summonable minions = pets, which are not the same as lane minions. Yorick's ghouls (and such) would still knock out MF's Strut because they are classified as Champion-based damage.

Rockman1 votes

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darkdill1 votes

Probably classified as Champion-based damage since it comes from an item.

By "minions" in the title, I mean lane minions specifically.

Onegarion1 votes

I think this would be more of a quality of life change like Garen's recent buff. Almost seems like it needs to happen. Not sure why garen's got buff to ignore this, but she can't.

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