Trinity force became to strong becasue it got CDR... also the lack of 3's is disapointing.

Irelia Bot··18 votes·1,574 views

Trinity force use to have no CDR. It was a good item but it was not allowing for even it's most core of champs to spam abilities once completed without the help of items like Frozen Heart. Irelia maxing Q did not really catch on until CDR was provided in a large enough amount from Trinity force on it's own.

Also for being an item based on the number 3 it is disappointing seeing all of these things like 5%, 40% or 250 It could easily be changed It have only multiples of 3 in it.

And the Sheen proc is far to much of the items power overall. Some of this could be shaved off and put into other stats such as on hit magic damage.

First off Sheen does not need CDR and Movement speed would be just as ideal of a stat for it given 2 of the 3 items it builds into give movement speed for which lich bane could have one item in the build path changed out for another and one has the MS come from nothing. IBG would not die if it were to have 10% less CDR but something like 6% movement speed. (I Don't care about the "synergy" of CDR and sheen procs CDR is what made Trinity too strong)

Sheen: 10% CDR change to 5% movement soeed. Since Trinity is so dependant on sheen procs t obe really justifiable which is one of the issues with it current in my book the sheen proc will be changed back to 150% base AD

Next get rid of the stinger for a recurve bow instead. HOWEVER instead of it being a flat 30% attack speed from the recurve bow it will be split into 15% bonus attack speed and 15% increased base attack speed which is actually way more powerful with other attack speed items but limited on it's own.

What Phage provides will be slightly buffed to make it back to being all mutiples of 3

Sheen + recurve Bow + Phage + 300 = Trinity force 15% bonus attack speed Unique: 15% increased _**BASE **_attack speed Unique: 30 on hit magic damage 300 mana 6% movement speed Unique passive SPELLBLADE: 150% base AD on next auto 300 Health 30AD Rage Passive: UNIQUE – RAGE: Basic attacks (on-hit) grant +24 flat movement diminishing over 3. Killing a Unit grants +72 flat movement speed instead. These amounts are halved for Ranged champs.

27 Comments

Dealth7 votes

Stop trying to change it, it's fine.

Irelia Bot2 votes

That is your opinion.

Malicious Metal7 votes

And your opinion is that it's broken.

There are as many opinions as sand on a beach or salt in ranked Queues

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Correction: it was fine, till the Op complained about it to not have crit

Irelia Bot3 votes

Please remind me again who outside of GP, Yasuo and the over tuned Corki of that period actually liked the crit?

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

Please remind me again how it hurt in anyway.

All that's happened with adding stinger to TF is make it's champions either outright or under the radar balance problems

Irelia Bot1 votes

The 15% attack speed was too slow. Winning or losing because of RNG is not a good system.

Psudo RNG is still a form of RNG.

I did not want CDR I wanted a reliable item that is not too strong and not to weak. Trinity felt troo weak when it had Crit which is why Rageblade meta came to exist and not die with the nerfs.

statelesskiller2 votes

Rengar Garen (full crit garen at least) Nasus i actually like the crits for nasus. because it makes adc cower in fear of the cane

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

Quinn actually due to her passives' interactions with Crit, not that the current form doesn't suit Quinn differently but just as well.

Also using 'base attack speed' like this would literally be game breaking many champions balanced around their base AS so they scale with AS items worse or to balance some steroid in their kit this would literally effect how they scaled with AS as a stat and would probably singlehandedly break the item on a number of champions Jax Lucian Ezreal Sivir Gnar JarvanIV Skarner Diana some whom I imagine would be interested in abusing it.

ModWulf Helhammer6 votes

Sheen having movement speed makes absolute no sense. Maybe you forgot, but it builds into more then just your precious trinity force.

It's supposed to be an item that weaves in spells with autos, and as such, CDR works perfectly with it

Irelia Bot2 votes

That "synergy" does not matter in the slightest because you can easily get CDR from other items.

If you want CDR then get CDR items.

PermabannedGaren4 votes

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That "synergy" does not matter in the slightest because you can easily get CDR from other items.

If you want CDR then get CDR items.

I will friend. I'll get a trinity force. =)

MunchCrunchLunch5 votes

champions that are supposed to build trinity force. are not abusing it. jax isn't. irelia is abusing her own broken kit. so is ekko and yasuo.

Irelia Bot2 votes

You will be talking differently when Jax is Fotm.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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You will be talking differently when Jax is Fotm.

no i wont the only time jax was a problem during rageblade and then it was the item

jax is the easiest champion to deal with. easy to cc. squishy. no sustain. limited mobility.

Irelia Bot1 votes

So rageblade was the problem for Jax but Trinity is not the problem m for Irelia...

Penn Jillette can sum this up rather well with one word: BULLSHIT

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

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So rageblade was the problem for Jax but Trinity is not the problem m for Irelia...

Penn Jillette can sum this up rather well with one word: BULLSHIT

irelia has been a problem for a long time. hence the meme. better nerf irelia.

ekko and yasuo have always had overloaded kits since release.

Bladerunner77775 votes

So you want Riot to nerf TF for every other tank/bruiser and instead tweaked around Irelia?

Fk off

HoboGod4 votes

I agree completely with Riot's decision making, here. This item is designed for champs that weave 8 auto-attacks and 5 abilities during a teamfight, not the champions that want to spam 2 abilities and 12 auto-attacks. For the same reason Atma's Impaler (Armor, Crit, bonus damage based on health, but no bonus health... who was this item designed for?!) was removed from the game, it made perfect sense to remove Crit Chance on Triforce and replace it with CDR.

Would it make sense to add 25 Ability Power to Phantom Dancer? Or to put 250 Mana on Ravenous Hydra? How about 8% Life Steal on Rabbadon's Deathcap? Triforce is an overloaded first item that should be overloaded with things the player actually needs.

ValyrianBlade4 votes

Lost interest when you said IBG should lose it's 20% CDR (to 10%).

Why are you attacking a different item when your problem is TF? There's nothing wrong with IBG right now (key word: now. I understand sunfire+IBG was a huge problem for a while).

Terminus Edge3 votes

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First off Sheen does not need CDR and Movement speed would be just as ideal of a stat for it given 2 of the 3 items it builds into give movement speed for which lich bane could have one item in the build path changed out for another and one has the MS come from nothing.

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Also, was Trinity that broken when it only had 10% CDR (from Sheen) on it? I thought it was the addition of the further 10% from Stinger that really broke it.

Irelia Bot1 votes

It really does not need any CDR expecially with the current item state of CDR being all over the place except for mage items which is lacking another good 10% and 20% option.

Dusk blade is another case of it but given that Trinity has all of it's other stats from the items it builds from MS is the odd stat out.

R FLASH XD3 votes

needs more multiples of 3? 30% cdr lol

LatetotheRace2 votes

Remove the CD on big ticket items for the most part, or limit it to 5-10%. If a champion wants CD and lots of it, they're going to have to sacrifice damage, mana and health or armor/mr for it. It should NOT be something just thrown in for fun.

VivaLaKitten2 votes

Sheen does need cdr it fits perfectly with the purpose of Sheen

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

The sheen effect should've just been removed, as they've been adding (& reworking) plenty of champions to have auto-attack resetting abilities.

genya031 votes

I like the old TF. Critical for days.

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