Buff frozen heart

Summoner SpeII··10 votes·8,168 views

Item is never built at all in high elo, because of how it lacks active effects or base hp. it is pretty useless when it is compared to other items like randuins, which gives a nice aoe slow every 60 seconds and very nice tank stats, or thornmail, which applies grievous wounds and does more dmg to adcs if you build more armor and gives a bit of hp. I would suggest giving frozen heart an item active that temporarily slows the attack speed of its surrounding enemies by 40%, and make that aoe like the randuin's active effect, and nerf the base armor on frozen heart by a bit if that is too strong to directly give to frozen heart. There is no reason any top laner would care about the 20% cdr on frozen heart, because they could just go ice born gauntlet and randuin/thornmail. and that would be a much better option because ibg gives them 20% cdr and waveclear and armor/mana, and then they get to choose a much better 2nd armor item.

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Jimmy Rustles12 votes

Give it a passive like adaptive helm, reduces physical damage abilities by X amount for X seconds

CaptainAntiHeroz6 votes

i feel like if they keep it a HP-less item then it really needs some form of active to make it better because as it stands its only good on like Taric Sejuani Malphite and only because they benefit the most from Armor in one way or another

ChaosReyn5 votes

And Ryze . That being the main reason they have to keep it underwhelming.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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And Ryze . That being the main reason they have to keep it underwhelming.

Easy, swap the mana for HP and bring up the passive effect to 25-35%

AlienPrimate1 votes

It is by far the best armor item on Chogath and usually what I build on Nautilus when I play him top lane.

Mavëríck2 votes

item 3110 +100 armor +20% cooldown reduction +400 mana

UNIQUE: Cripple icon Cripples nearby enemies' attack speed by 15% (700 range).


Increase passive to 25% Decrease Armor to 80 Add 350-450 HP

This item has the niche of countering right click champions like Tryndamere MasterYi (without ult) Jax and most adcs. If people want it to be an option for all tanks then it needs hp added to it.

Paroe5 votes

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item 3110 +100 armor +20% cooldown reduction +400 mana

UNIQUE: Cripple icon Cripples nearby enemies' attack speed by 15% (700 range).


Increase passive to 25% Decrease Armor to 80 Add 350-450 HP

This item has the niche of countering right click champions like Tryndamere MasterYi (without ult) Jax and most adcs. If people want it to be an option for all tanks then it needs hp added to it.

I think adding HP is a bad move, because it generalizes the item. Also making an item with; 400HP 80 armor 20% CDR 400 mana 25% attack speed reduction to nearby enemies Is way to many strong stats.

Id suggest, instead of giving it HP, just give it an HP scaling shield that scales with armor and HP. Like... "Frozen flesh: Grants a shield that regenerates at full health based on your health regeneration. Shield strength is 10% total HP+0.25armor."

We need more shields for tanks, honestly. Making the item unabusable by bruisers might take a little thought, though.

Mavëríck1 votes

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I think adding HP is a bad move, because it generalizes the item. Also making an item with; 400HP 80 armor 20% CDR 400 mana 25% attack speed reduction to nearby enemies Is way to many strong stats.

Id suggest, instead of giving it HP, just give it an HP scaling shield that scales with armor and HP. Like... "Frozen flesh: Grants a shield that regenerates at full health based on your health regeneration. Shield strength is 10% total HP+0.25armor."

We need more shields for tanks, honestly. Making the item unabusable by bruisers might take a little thought, though.

I like that. I'd be happy with more shields on tanks in the damage meta. Not outright tank stats, just some more options to make tanks need a two shot rather than a one shot.

Paroe1 votes

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I like that. I'd be happy with more shields on tanks in the damage meta. Not outright tank stats, just some more options to make tanks need a two shot rather than a one shot.

Its always saddened me that one of the best non-broken defense passives in the game was removed, flat, without be put on a different item.

UNIQUE – QUEST: Earn Gold 750 using this item. REWARD: Shield Battery, a permanent shield for 255 − 340 (based on level) health. The shield regenerates slowly when out-of-combat.

RIP shield battery.

Ragnaveil1 votes

It honestly doesnt counter them anymore. AS has been raised though the roof. The only time it actually feels like it does something is that if its paired with Malph E.

floo2 votes

I can tell you about how much fun it is to fight Nasus with FH and his W

Ragnaveil1 votes

Its only because it slows your MS so much. The W barely does much in terms of AS slow.

floo1 votes

Yea, if you don't play AS reliant champions. His cripple scales from 23-47% That's half your entire AS on max rank. Enjoy playing Kayle or any adc into that.

Keiaga2 votes

It's the only armor item with CDR that most champs can get away with building.

Iceborne gauntlet is your only other viable option for armor+CDR and even then it's weaker and the sheen passive can't be used effectively with every tank champ. The only other armor+CDR items are item 3109 and item 3800 which are used almost exclusively only by supports unless your name is Rammus or Hecarim.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

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It's the only armor item with CDR that most champs can get away with building.

Iceborne gauntlet is your only other viable option for armor+CDR and even then it's weaker and the sheen passive can't be used effectively with every tank champ. The only other armor+CDR items are item 3109 and item 3800 which are used almost exclusively only by supports unless your name is Rammus or Hecarim.

So id like to know some examples of champions where frozen heart would be better than ibg in the top lane, when they can instead build a better armor item like randuins or thornmail after building righteous glory to engage better for their team. Because i can't think of a good situation where you would build frozen heart over righteous glory on tanks. Maybe U could get frozen heart on sion, but even then thats only after u buy better armor items first like randuins or thornmail and ice born gauntlet and righteous are still buildable on sion.

Keiaga2 votes

Nasus and every other toplaner who might want armor+CDR but already has a reliable slow in their kit likeDarius

But you're missing the point of the item. We're just trying tom compare Iceborne with Frozen heart, so every other armor item is irrelevant here. There are plenty of games and matchups in which a player might want both armor and CDR. That pretty much narrows down their choice to either item 3025 or item 3110 since they both have very similar stats. After that though, you have to compare the value of an anti-AA aura and a sheen proc.

AhernfVy2 votes

Just give it 425 hp and pre-emptively nerf Ryze and it'll be an item worth building in situations you need to slow an auto attack dealer's auto attacks down.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

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Just give it 425 hp and pre-emptively nerf Ryze and it'll be an item worth building in situations you need to slow an auto attack dealer's auto attacks down.

yea ryze abusers build frozen heart alot of the times, i forgot about the one time that frozen heart has an actual usage.

Naalith1 votes

Yeah, how the mighty have fallen. Back in the early days of League you would see this item in every single game. I get why it was nerfed initially, the general power it provided was nuts, but it has never really been brought back up to a decent standard. The only time I ever build it is when I'm playing a champion like Nunu against a full ad team and I already have a thornmail. It's always a 6th item buy, and games don't last that long very often, and even at item slot 6 I hardly bother getting it.

Bonipherus1 votes

This item used to be the first rush item for the beefiest tank characters thanks to the super high armor, cdr, and mana. Now damage is so high it doesn't do enough. If riot isnt going to nerf damage they need to buff tank items. The passive is nice but Tank items need more active effects to make them interesting.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Item is irrelevant as long as tanks are irrelevant

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Item is irrelevant as long as tanks are irrelevant

Tanks aren't irrelevant though, never have been.

Everyone wants to carry, not be carried.

ÈvilMorty1 votes

Id give it a passive where the more an enemy attacks you, the more the attackers attack speed decreases.

Garson2111 votes

I prefer thormail over frozen heart simple because tanks gonna focus enemy aa anyway and thormail will slow aa as well. I just think FH should have pasive buffed to 25% or 30% then i will consider buying it maybe. I will just add it more armor maybe 10-20 more, less cdr 10 and buff pasive.

yung settings1 votes

Ryze

Ornn1 votes

double the attack speed slow double the armor

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