@Riot Aatrox?
Hey, As often asked, can we know if Aatrox is on your radar? He desesperatly need some changes, have you any plan on long/short term for him?
Hey, As often asked, can we know if Aatrox is on your radar? He desesperatly need some changes, have you any plan on long/short term for him?
Who?
But in all seriousness, he's probably the champ in the worst state of all champs in the game right now. Yes, we have
and
but those two are at least unique in their terribleness and have still managed to work their way into high level play now and again like in Season 5.
Aatrox though... he's not just poorly designed, he's bland. The only thing that stands out about him is his E's unique hitbox, everything else is a worse version of something someone else has. Only dedicated Aatrox mains wreck face with him and in that case it's like them wearing weighted clothes and if you put those players on a better AA centric fighter then they'd dominate everyone.
Well said. Playing other champs after maining aatrox is like flying.
I think people are just playing urgot wrong. The moment I picked him up, I gained 300 elo in a couple weeks. I'm not kidding. proud urgot main now.
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Aatrox was decent with Sated.
While it makes me real sad, I wouldn't be surprised if he remains iceboxed for quite some time. He's one of those champions that needs a full fledged rework of some description, but there's quite a few guys ahead in line.
He reminds me a lot of
, a champion who was released with an imperfect kit (to say the least). Good ol' Mr. Mori has been around for quite some time, and Aatrox might follow in this trend, sadly.
postponed to 2025 sadly.
**HE`S NOT A PLAYMAKER LIKE
**
By then Ryze will have his 83'rd rework just in time for them to start on #84.
Riot purposefully keeps him down. His kit is badly designed (I main him and I still say this.) When he gets ahead, he gets AHEAD. He spirals out of control very quickly by stacking attack speed and life steal, and it becomes very very very difficult to duel him let alone kill him. If they allow him to be strong he will dominate everything. Same with eve, they shove her back because she's toxic by design. However, unlike Fizz and Zed they aren't huge playmakers, so they can't be allowed to be strong because they aren't interesting to watch.
Riot purposefully keeps him down. His kit is badly designed (I main him and I still say this.) When he gets ahead, he gets AHEAD. He spirals out of control very quickly by stacking attack speed and life steal, and it becomes very very very difficult to duel him let alone kill him. If they allow him to be strong he will dominate everything. Same with eve, they shove her back because she's toxic by design. However, unlike Fizz and Zed they aren't huge playmakers, so they can't be allowed to be strong because they aren't interesting to watch.
Tell me a META champ that doesn't get AHEAD when he gets AHEAD.
This is the most absurd excuse possible. Every champion that gets ahead is frustrating to play against.
Some champions can still be shut down by minor mistakes, a champion with a kit like Aatrox's doesn't suffer like that. If he gets ahead, by the sheer nature of his kit if he gets ahead he becomes very very difficult to kill because both lifesteal and attackspeed increase his healing rate. The first item he tends to build (Botrk) has BOTH stats on it, making it that much stronger of a sustain item on him.
As a fellow aatrox main, I approve.
Aatrox will probably see changes in divers rework, because he is considered one by Riot right now (if I'm not mistaken). When that's gonna happen, I don't know. Seeing how there are a lot of reworks already planned for this season, probably next season, or maybe as a part of pre-season changes.
If only it's the divers rework who come, assassin was mostly their prefered one, so i ask :/, they were hesitating between assassin or diver
Fuck the assassins.
Nobody likes to play against them.
Bruisers do.
It's actually likely that they have both in ideation right now and the best thought-out set will be the first roster update selected. They've also been doing experimental tweaks to champs patch by patch on the pbe so maybe if enough of the assassins get mini-tweaks they'll bump up the diving fighters? Just a thought.
Both sets have champions that are in a terrible balance/playability spot right now, not saying Aatrox doesn't need it more X|
both sets have their bad cases:
diver with a good bit of tank stats and instagib potential
we all know why
just... RNG crits in the early laning phase is not very fun to lane against
and Assassins have
either fed and slapping people to death with their own healthbars, or worthless. Less reliable
Riot can't grow big enough of a ballsack to gut this guy for fear of the edgy zed mains to revolt
yup.
Firstly,
and
will more than likely be included whether they do diving fighters or assassins.
The following list only includes assassins/diving fighters:
could all use tweaks.
These are up for a full VGU:
with a possibility of
later on.
note: Yes I probably added/missed some champs. QQ This is the list in my head, combined with what I read from the redtracker. Not all included are "big 6 level" reworks either.
I personally think that the only good change they could mae to Jayce would be to make his w active do more noticeable damage.
which one? I hear you on the lightning one, but the ranged W is pretty nice as is, for applying on-hit effects.
Warwick is already on the rework schedule.
Yes, I put him there 'cause he's not out yet^^ I don't think Yorick-mori will turn into a diving fighter otherwise he'd be there too~
Thank you though <3
It's not like they can't change some number the next patch, so he isn't complete trash. They just don't want to do it.
Because Aatrox is a ball of stats champion and 1 slight buff/meta movement/item change can send him over the top.
Because Aatrox is a ball of stats champion and 1 slight buff/meta movement/item change can send him over the top.
And how many champions are not ball of stats?(10-15 out of 131 ???)
Even utility champions that can only make plays are trash, if they have low stats - remember release
The biggest ball of stats in the game was release Braum who could solo anyone with just support items; it was hilarious.
Aatrox has never been oppressive.
Buffing Xin by adding crit to his every third auto was just unfair to Aatrox.
Xin probably has lower skill cap, also is tankier, doesn't lose 15 % current hp for using Q+E.
The only thing that Aatrox has over Xin is the ranged poke/slow.
Xin is a good point on Riots confusing balance choices. That buff sent low elo into chaos on the boards because Xin could already stomp down there. So with that, I agree that idk why Aatrox is left untouched.
I'm not sure if I really think of Xin as fun but I use him to climb. He's so busted.
What magical world were you living in where aatrox was never oppressive? I'm pretty sure it was just a couple seasons ago that he was going crazy.
What magical world were you living in where aatrox was never oppressive? I'm pretty sure it was just a couple seasons ago that he was going crazy.
v3.13 Blood Well Passive Attack Speed changed to 30/35/40/45/50/55% (upgrades every 3 champion levels) (from 50% flat)
Blades of Torment
Damage reduced to 75/110/145/180/215 (from 75/120/165/210/255)
v3.08
Aatrox released.
How was he going crazy when these are the only nerfs he got? He got only buffs after 3.13 and he is still trash. He was never OP. Trynda can crit you twice lvl 1 and win the lane. Aatrox can be tough to fight lvl 1 to 3 and that's it, he just doesn't scale, deals no dmg, because he is autoattack dependent in a game where being melee is punished by everyone even by the other melee champions, and he doesn't deal dmg with tank items.
because the meta was way different back then, when a lot less champions had access to strong mobility. A good aatrox was basically unkillable after early game. ranged top-laners weren't really a thing back then, aside from teemo and the occasional vayne, and nobody really had the poking power, or sustain to get him out of lane. You couldn't stop him from farming, but if he farmed too much you wouldn't be able to kill him in the mid-late game because he just outscaled you. interactions with him were overwhelmingly a negative experience for the majority of champs.
He's the AD Vlad. Either he doesn't do much, or he just destroys everything while healing it all back.
The AD pre-rework Vlad.
Ya thats what I meant :3
As much as I would like changes for him I actually kinda like playing him a bit right now because of some of the new item changes. Obviously he is god awful right now, but hey if you do want to play him right now and have some fun while playing him I have found that Hybrid Aatrox is okayish right now, and even if it's not that strong I find it to be his most fun build for him right now.
Key items for this build being
and basically build him as a tank after or if you are feeling like you are doing well pop a
in the build and go wild it's actually pretty effective and definitely the most fun I have had with him in awhile. So he might not be getting any changes any time soon but if you want to play him and have a bit of fun with him I'd say this is my favorite way to play him right now.
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Lmao. Glad it wasn't just me that noticed something wasn't right (now) with that post.
at that point may as well build a guinsoos
every time i've seen hashinshin play him he like auto tilts and feeds lol
The problem with Aatrox is balance. How do you balance someone who scales off lifesteal and has a "guardian angel" like passive ability? You nerf his base stats and make him only a champion that benefits from getting ahead. You also make items that suit his kit pretty expensive.
I think
kit needs rework just to make him a little more balanced as a champion. If Aatrox get's behind he remains useless almost the entire game. If he gets ahead, he is incredibly threatening as a duelist.
I actually don't like laning against an Aatrox because it is hard to figure out if this person will be real good with the champ or not. It seems that the hardcore Aatrox players are really good at making him work in the top lane, while others are simply terrible with him. They primarily try to use him as a diver that can get a kill under a turret and still walk away, but they don't really use him effectively.
His teamfight is pretty poor and outside of pre-reworked
was one of the least played champs.
A few months ago(i don't have a link) Riot stated that they won't be doing any work on Aatrox in the near future but they do say he is being watched
Well, Trynda and Yi are also frustrating when they are ahead. There is a thread every weak about Yasuo and Fizz, even if they aren't that strong at the moment. Aatrox is only theoretically strong, if he gets buffs. Remember that the game is centered about the ADCs and their minions - the tanks and the supports. Aatrox can't touch the ADCs in any elo above Gold, because melee champions get permaCCed and kited, unless they have 4 k hp and 250 resistances. His kit has no synergy with being tanky. Even if he gets buffs and becomes semi-playable, he will be just another splitpush bot like Trynda, Fiora, Jax. Now he can't even do this, because he falls off super fast. Melee DPS champs have to be super tanky with some good lategame scaling - Jax (gets free tank stats for building dmg, his E counters on-hit and normal attacks), Trynda (can't be die, highest lvl 1 hp pool, second highest lvl 18) or having assasin like burst - Yi (14th highest lvl 18 hp ), Yasuo, Fiora. Aatrox can heal like Xin, WW, Irelia, cheese some kills or towerdives with his passive and that's it. His lategame DPS is joke and he is nowhere near tanky. Even if he was with Trynda like stats he would lose 15 % of his current hp per E+Q - now he loses 297,42 hp when he initiates.
Pretty sure riot said he was in a perfect spot a while back
The problem with Aatrox is that he's actually pretty balanced winrate-wise, he's just boring as hell to play. He needs a rework. At least Shen-scale, maybe bigger.
It's sad that Rioters ignore all the Aatrox threads that pop every week...
Quite a bunch at that. Seems all threads are Zed qq, ekko tank qq, fizz qq, DQ qq, and the non toxic ones.... ---> Aatrox threads.