I mean its pretty disgusting to see a jhin land a 600+ ranged auto on Zed . W and only a single ult bullet needed. to kill that zed. meanwhile he has GA. yes this happened yesterday. or a lucian landing a 2k damage combo in under 2 seconds.
ridiculous.
Talinis2 votesTry vayne's or dravens or half the other ADCS. You literally die in .5 seconds in 2 shots. And riot wants to up the Assassin kill window to .5 - .75 seconds. Melee assassins don't even live that long against ADCS LOL! Even worse ADCS that get self peel and you are left as a melee sitting duck after they "skillfully" dodged your ability by knocking you away and 2 shotting you.
There is a huge reason that AP melee assassins are all going tank form and that is because the itemization and their assassination power blows HARD currently. Nice to be super squish, dive in, have to dodge the 5 self peels from support and ADC and then manage to have the damage to burst through several shields, banshee's in order to do your job. And then still be in the back line with no escape IF you manage to survive and do your job. And there is absolutely nothing you can do to the back line mage that is shooting abilities at 1000 units away. OH sharked? Zed ult? Kat ult? ZHONYA. Fully block ult damage from a champion that needs it to do anything since they have zero poke and need to all in. Skill, ya, that's it. Zhonya's needs to be melee only.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesi died to a vayne in 2 shots. she didn't even proc silverbolts. that was last weak.
and exactly. melee assassins don't really kill adcs that fast late game
Draaaaaavéééééén1 votesTry vayne's or dravens or half the other ADCS. You literally die in .5 seconds in 2 shots. And riot wants to up the Assassin kill window to .5 - .75 seconds. Melee assassins don't even live that long against ADCS LOL! Even worse ADCS that get self peel and you are left as a melee sitting duck after they "skillfully" dodged your ability by knocking you away and 2 shotting you.
There is a huge reason that AP melee assassins are all going tank form and that is because the itemization and their assassination power blows HARD currently. Nice to be super squish, dive in, have to dodge the 5 self peels from support and ADC and then manage to have the damage to burst through several shields, banshee's in order to do your job. And then still be in the back line with no escape IF you manage to survive and do your job. And there is absolutely nothing you can do to the back line mage that is shooting abilities at 1000 units away. OH sharked? Zed ult? Kat ult? ZHONYA. Fully block ult damage from a champion that needs it to do anything since they have zero poke and need to all in. Skill, ya, that's it. Zhonya's needs to be melee only.
SHHHH DONT TELL THEM THE SECRET
Siyther2 voteswow dude there are like 3 or 4 adc's with self peel and a half decent (not even good or fed) assassin will destroy an adc every single time
NotCounter2 votesarmor pen isn't even as rapey as crit is late game, not nearly. try a 1K+ crit from draven or jhin instead
Grimspeake1 votesarmor pen isn't even as rapey as crit is late game, not nearly. try a 1K+ crit from draven or jhin instead
First none bronze post in this thread.
Leo10242 votesAdc are supposed to do the most damage, they're called attack damage carries for a reason, they usually are the backbone of the teamfights, that's why they're so important and need a support to help them reach that assasin level of play in the later game
Maximum Morde2 votesI enjoy how adcs can do more damage with a right click than most casters can do with a spell.
Avienal1 votesI mean its pretty disgusting to see a jhin land a 600+ ranged auto on Zed . W and only a single ult bullet needed. to kill that zed. meanwhile he has GA. yes this happened yesterday. or a lucian landing a 2k damage combo in under 2 seconds.
ridiculous.
In Jhin's case his playstyle is a Marksmen/Assassin but taking his 'Assassin' sub-type alot more seriously with making each 'shot' matter instead of just spraying a target like how most marksmen do by just spraying them in bullets till they are dead like some CoD player, with Jhin he takes everything(his attack speed being used more to 'get the perfect shot then fire more at once, the same for his crit power too') to deal a blow that could massacre a target like any good 'sniper' shot would do, except against the 'heavily armored'. Though in LUCIAN's case its because of measures of 'exploiting' gimmicks like Black cleaver's armor % shred via 'on hit physical damage hits' and the flat pen provided by ghost blade that makes him scummy.
It doesn't help either that Lucian is a 'pure Marksmen', unlike a champion such as Vayne who is made to aggressively chase a target and tank buster, Lucian does so because he can multi shot repeatedly thanks to his passive to give him strong auto burst weaved between his abilities.
Jhin's critical downsides are not only his lack of 'strong' mobility for escaping besides taking a moment to critical shoot a target, a demand for quick reaction skills to root a target after they got 'marked' for the root effect whether to escape or catch a target and he pretty much is stuck on a fixed attack speed rate that barely grows at all thru only 'leveling up', he can easily be over whelmed by a successful gank done right on top of him where it would take him using some quick reaction skills to quickly gain distance to poke the target down with autos and 4th shot finish if they aren't a glass cannon themselves.
Lucian even without the Black cleaver+Ghost blade combo has strong mobility to jump in or jump out of a fight as needed and could even possibly kite in the process, especially when he has his E maxed out to where its on a low cool down, especially with CDR in the mix and no mana cost at all to really tie him down. With it, he basically becomes Vayne with the Armor shred imitating Vayne's true damage stacks, her passive to 'chase' targets faster being imitated by black cleaver's move speed bonus whenever you 'attack' something, even more if you kill the champion.
Besides that, Zed is a 'Assassin', just like Marksmens they have to concentrate on building damage and being strong damage dealers, Assassins being in the form of a ability burst combo and Marksmens having it centered around auto attacks. If a Assassin or Marksmen builds beefie then the only reason likely is due to a silly niche build(Ezreal's for example :/ ), the champion itself builds tankie for its style to even work or the meta is just still in a BS state that everything has to build beef or they are pretty much 'useless' against other 'champions because everyone else is building beefie'.
Draaaaaavéééééén1 votesthen start going zac and cc the shit out of the adc unless he can kite.