Is it just me or is Black Cleaver too universal of an item (built on Adc's, bruisers, assassins..)
I think it's Rylais all over again. An item that's intended for a certain class (in Rylais case; Ap bruisers and battlemages, BC: bruisers) and maybe a situational item on other champions being built frequently on other champions. Leading to the item being extremely prevalent in a lot of games and seen on champions who shouldn't be building it without giving up other intended strengths.
Exhibit one Lucian https://s17.postimg.org/4qwccpa6n/lucian.jpg¨
Lucian is regarded as the primary ability based marksman. He's a spellslinger and he used to go for Trinity force a while back.
As an adc he does scale well with crit as well but now a new Build's popping up.
Giving him unrivaled kiting and durability due to the 400 Hp on BC as well as pretty damn insane damage while building an item that's intended for sustained damage bruisers.
Exhibit two Ashe https://s10.postimg.org/tt73kclmh/ashe.jpg
Meant as a linear scaling ADC due to how she interacts with Crit Ashe has fallen out of the spotlight. Only for a new build to overcome these issues in her kit. With BC and Runaans Ashe can shred entire teams, negating huge amounts of gold value while still outputting a ton of damage, making you feel like a bloody pin cushion at times.
Exhibit three Miss Fortune SUPPORT https://s24.postimg.org/u61r5ve9h/image.jpg
Same old deal, just with BC MF can output a ton of damage, even with a lowly support income and the nature of her ultimate
Exhibit four Graves https://s21.postimg.org/v7y2q7wfb/graves.jpg
He's kinda supposed to fill the niche of a more durable marksman so I hesitate to call this an abuse case
Personally I feel Black cleaver is one of those items that just has to have a reduced effect for Ranged character, just like the Phage passive on it. It's supposed to offer a way for Bruisers to not get kited too easily while allowing them to output their damage. Yet it is built on a class that uses it to Kite those the item is supposed to help their kiting issues while also giving them a lot of damage. There's not really a trade off to be had and I really think the item should either be Melee only or the armor shred component needs to be made a self-buff.
just my two cents on the matter
at least concerning armor and i run +13 armor from runes and his scaling armor lvl 18 97(only 10 more then lux) i would have a total of 110+30+65+50 for total of 255 and since im melee and slow and gonna be tank soaking damage im more likely to be hit with 6 stacks from cleaver so 255-30% = 77 so 255-77= 178 effective armor left
basically
and can jump away you won't get away. And if you do you will lose lane since you can't farm it. It's no wonder the top 3 toplaners in Korea are all using it. Or all the AD assassins, and all the ADC's that can do it.
it's life over for lux. Or it could just be diver or skirmisher flashing ontop of her or flashing and then using a gapcloser ability. I´ve had my share of experience seeing this while getting lux to lvl 6. And while i agree that lux should die less than others i also know that some are just impossible to avoid.
and dunked to oblivion, or demacia'd by Garen.
which procs on taking burst damage. ( works well vs garen to... ) but this is of course if you are melee combat with a darius... most /best way to beat him is range and to kite. even if he has a black cleaver which brings me back to my point about the squishy mage in the previous comment.
cuz its more beneficial to them over
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rush.
never see an adc rush BC it provides shit for damage in lane, no attack speed so even ashe is better getting hurricane into bork into cleaver then rushing cleaver so your statement about all these champs rushing it as a 1st item is kinda not true and even if it was, if it was the armor in the game that your enemy may get at that point isnt very high unless they are building pure tank and pure armor so the amount of armor it reduces wouldnt be as high.. there fore my statement of its best vs champs with stacked armor builds still holds true... and meaning its not gold efficient to rush 1st item in game except on those juggernaut/ad casters like a garen, darius, olaf , ren. who are slow brusiers who benefit from all aspects of the item early game.
is the 18th most popular item build in the game currently while
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